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"and me" or "me and"

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Peaceloveandjammydodgers Thu 24-Sep-15 22:33:43

I understand the "...and I" or "...and me" rule perfectly well, except I'm never sure whether to say "me and..." or "...and me".
Can anyone help?

DadDadDad Fri 25-Sep-15 13:07:17

Grammatically, you could say "please give it to John and me" or "please give it to me and John", it's just I think some people consider the first more polite (putting the other person first).

LisbethSalandersLaptop Fri 25-Sep-15 13:09:39

I think 'me and JOhn' would be OK for a child, but 'John and me' is more adult. Putting the other person first as DadDadDad said.

holmessweetholmes Fri 25-Sep-15 13:13:37

Either is correct. There is no grammatical reason why either should go before the other. Nor any other reason. Why would one be more 'adult ' than the other?

LisbethSalandersLaptop Fri 25-Sep-15 13:16:16

actually there is no such thing as 'correct' in English, just usage history.
John and me would sound more 'adult' as it puts the other person first, while a child is all ME ME ME and would say 'me and John'.

Varya Fri 25-Sep-15 13:16:37

Dad and I are going...

Dad and I had fish and chips.

DadDadDad Fri 25-Sep-15 13:32:54

Well, I'm not sure about it being more adult, but I can't agree with holmes saying there is no reason for preferring either order. As I said, some consider one more polite, so whether you agree with that convention or not, that does give a consideration when saying it - do you care if some stuffy people consider you uncouth for saying "me and John"?

MrsHathaway Fri 25-Sep-15 14:04:51

I think it's stylistic and depends on flow and emphasis.

Who was the letter addressed to, then?
Me and John, which is weird because he doesn't live here.

When you've finished your painting, don't forget it to show it to John and me.

Peaceloveandjammydodgers Fri 25-Sep-15 14:19:10

I'm very pleased to see there's no hard and fast rule I've been flouting. I tend to err towards putting the other person first for exactly the same reason - politeness. But that's a good point about the letter addressed to me and John. If John's name were written first, I suppose it would be addressed to John and me.
Thanks smile

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark Fri 25-Sep-15 21:52:12

There may be no rule, but conventional usage is to put the longer subject/object first. So noun before pronoun.

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