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In literature, when someone is thinking something to themselves...

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joshandjamie · 04/02/2013 09:33

should their thoughts go in speech marks? For example:

'He really is an ugly man,' Linda thought to herself. Or is it:
He really is an ugly man, Linda thought to herself.

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starsandunicorns · 04/02/2013 12:34

I use the second one as its internal monolog. The reader is shown that it is a inner thought by the next bit ie Linda thought to her self. :)

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jaynebxl · 05/02/2013 06:00

I would definitely use speech marks.

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joshandjamie · 05/02/2013 09:30

Hmm, two different opinions. So now I'm still unsure.

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 05/02/2013 09:32

Up to the writer. No speech marks would be more usual in texts other than children's books or quite basic narratives, I think.

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somebloke123 · 05/02/2013 11:31

Interesting question which had never occurred to me.

I think I would go for no speech marks, because although it is still worded in the third person, there is a sense in which Linda has effectively become the narrator as it comes from inside her head but without external expression.

If that makes sense.

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AgentProvocateur · 05/02/2013 11:40

I'd definitely use speech marks. Not much use to you, OP, are we?

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CatelynStark · 05/02/2013 11:44

I thought there would no quotation marks as it's reported speech.

As in, Johnny thought that he'd go to the cinema.
Rather than, Johnny said "I've been thinking about going to the cinema".

That's how I was taught it at school in 1754 :)

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jaynebxl · 05/02/2013 11:51

It's not reported speech. It's what she is directly thinking. If it was reported it would say Linda thought that he really was an ugly man. The way to tell is this - could you take the phrase and stick it in a speech bubble (or a thought bubble) and would it stand alone? So "He really is an ugly man" would stand alone and could be followed by Linda thought, Linda said, Linda shouted etc etc. "That he really was an ugly man" wouldn't stand alone so would not take speech marks because it is actually reported rather than direct.

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Cheddars · 05/02/2013 11:57

I would say not.
Also I would get rid of 'to herself'. You can generally only think to yourself Smile

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catladycourtney1 · 09/02/2013 02:57

I've seen both, and also italics used to show the narrator's thoughts.

I would think that, if you're quoting someone's thoughts word-for-word, then speech marks are required, e.g. "He really is an ugly man," Linda thought to herself.

Whereas if you're just reporting someone's thoughts, you don't need speech marks, e.g. Linda thought to herself that he really was an ugly man.

Like actual speech, basically.

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catladycourtney1 · 09/02/2013 02:59

Although, it really doesn't look right with the speech marks. Maybe I'm wrong.

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LadyWidmerpool · 09/02/2013 03:02

It's a stylistic choice by the author.

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Strix · 15/02/2013 14:12

"when someone is thinking something to themselves..."

Really? Does he/she have a split personality? If not I think you meant "themself"...

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jaynebxl · 15/02/2013 14:17

Interesting. Not according to Oxforddictionaries.com
oxforddictionaries.com/words/themselves-or-themself
It seems themself is quite a new invention and not widely accepted.

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Strix · 15/02/2013 14:41

It's fault of the singularisation of them/they.... (to which I am staunchly opposed)

I guess it should be himself/herself. Or one's self...

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jaynebxl · 15/02/2013 15:03

Ys I'm with you on that one Strix. I think it came about because of the move away from using one.

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CocktailQueen · 02/03/2013 19:44

I would either set thoughts in normal text or in italics. No speech marks either way - they are just for direct speech.

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