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Meltdowns from lack of sleep - both DS and me!

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LucyLockwood · 13/01/2020 09:12

DTS1(4) has always been a poor sleeper and suffered from utter meltdowns during the day, far more than his twin brother ever did, even during the terrible twos.

He had the D&V bug over Christmas and slept a lot; went to bed easily and slept till he was actually refreshed, maybe 7.30am ish. I didn't realise what a difference it made till he recovered and is back to his usual routine of fighting sleep at bedtime, then waking up too early in the mornings. He goes in a cycle of: wake up too early (say 5.30am), refuse to go back to sleep, get manic and hyper and silly, then by school time he's practically sobbing with tiredness. In the afternoons he's still tired - then he gets overtired by 5pm and manic and silly again - hence bedtimes can be hard work.

We had a whole term of this last year and when he woke up at 5.30 this morning and wouldn't go back to sleep I eventually lost it with him. I was so, so cross and tired, he was being silly again despite yawning his head off, and in the end I was screaming at him. Poor DTS2 woke up and sobbed too. I am just utterly tired and fed up of it and can't see how to change things; if he naps during the day (very rare) then he won't go to bed for hours.

It's affecting his life and ours, I don't think he can concentrate properly at school as he's tired, and his constant meltdowns are really wearing. He's invited to a classmate's birthday party soon and I don't know whether to take him, it's at a soft play which makes him hyper at the best of times, and I can't trust him not to have a meltdown/ get incredibly silly and manic/ start scratching and pushing at people, which he does when he gets too wound up. I still have to watch him like a hawk at playgrounds etc; as far as I know he hasn't done it at school, but I don't know if I want to risk it. But on the other hand how long can I not take him to parties etc? And it seems unfair to DTS2 who would be ok there, I couldn't take one and not the other.

He is a poor eater, always has been, we've tried various things for it but I wonder if that doesn't help (DTS2 is a great eater!).

Apologies for the long post, I am just at the end of my tether with tiredness, PMT and the knowledge that there will be a meltdown to cope with later Sad I've spent most of this morning sobbing. I feel like such an awful mum but the DTs constantly squabble and bicker all the time too and I'm worn down by having to be constantly vigilant in case they physically go for each other. DP is incredibly lazy with them and I feel like it's all on me. Today is really a "I don't want to do this any more" day and I don't know where to go from here.

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ButtonandPickle19 · 14/01/2020 07:54

I would go and see your gp and ask for a referral to a paediatrician. They can refer children to sleep clinics and help with sleep hygiene (the fancy word for routine etc)
It must be exhausting and frustrating with one who seems fine and another who is a constant struggle. My DSS sounds similar to your DS, he would wake up early, disturb the whole household, then be absolutely awful and grumpy because he was chronically exhausted. We had to put a very strict routine in place, same thing every night no matter what, set boundaries in the morning time etc and now he’s much better. But that’s with one!
If DP won’t help get some professional support. DSS has just been diagnosed with mild ASD and ADHD. It’s possible something else is going on - you never know x

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LucyLockwood · 14/01/2020 09:50

Thank you so much @ButtonandPickle19 - I do wonder if DTS1 has some sort of ADD going on too - although no idea if I'm right or if he's just being a normal 4yo with lots of energy! I can see that DTS2 is more aware of 'boundaries' (he will fight with his brother but no-one else) whereas DTS1 has less concept of personal space. I'm really worried about this party too, would hate for him to act up and all the other school mums to see him have a meltdown Sad

You're right, boundaries really help; FIL is forever saying "oh just let him stay up a bit later, then he'll get up later" - nope!! I will try to make a GP appointment with him just to rule out any medical causes and perhaps ask for extra help. It's getting to me too now, I'm crying a lot and keep thinking it will only get harder for him if he can't learn now to stop being so manic. Thank you again x

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ButtonandPickle19 · 14/01/2020 10:06

It’s really difficult with two identical in age - at least I can send one to bed and stagger things so I bet you’re doing an amazing job.

With DSS it doesn’t matter whether he goes to bed at 6, 7 or 11 he will be up at 5am! And he wakes frequently during the night as well. He has no concept of personal space, he will be aggressive and difficult with other children and he has an absolute melt down if you say no or he gets overwhelmed.

But we have put rules in place and the consequences are consistent - for instance he can wake up at 5am no problem, but he cannot wake anyone else up, if he does there will be no dessert that day (for instance and he loves his dessert). But he is 10 now so a bit easier to reason with!

We also have a chart for him and a zone plan the therapist gave us (following GP involvement) that works well. I can share it with you if you would like? So you can see what it looks like

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LucyLockwood · 14/01/2020 11:16

Any help you can give would be amazing thank you @ButtonandPickle19! Yes, DTS1 will always be up at much the same time, it was lovely when he was under the weather and slept properly. With two the same age the silliness and overtiredness escalates very quickly, as you can imagine!

I feel really sorry for him as he loves to play with other children, but they don't enjoy it because he just gets too much for them unless he's very calm. And he is too quick to scratch/ push/ hit still too - I thought he'd grow out of it but not yet. When he was small the HV told us it was his way of communicating because his hearing and hence speech were poor, but I don't think it can be that now as he's had grommets fitted.

When he's calm and paying attention he is a sweet, kind, caring little boy but I just don't think the other DC (and their parents) see that side of him Sad

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ButtonandPickle19 · 14/01/2020 11:59

The aim is to keep in the green zone and teach him to recognise the other zones for himself and use a tool to get back to green. He’s lovely and kind really but he’s best behaved when one to one with an adult. When he has fun with other kids he gets too excited and we have to pull him away with a job like “can you help me put this in the car”, 5mins away and he’s calm enough for the group again. The tools he uses are specific for him.

We use the same time for bed every night, no technology in the hour before but we will do anything else before hand (play read etc) and we do bed before over tired (tricky if he’s over tired before even school!)

He’s been under a paediatrician since he was a toddler and finally a diagnosis at 10 but lots of help and ideas from the therapy teams in between then

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LucyLockwood · 15/01/2020 09:59

That's really interesting, thanks @ButtonandPickle19. I definitely recognise the diversion tactic; "can you help me do x" to pull him away from a situation! And like your DSS, he is best one on one with an adult, he'll be calmer and more focused without other DC there. I still don't think his hearing is great, which doesn't help him concentrate on things either.

He is on the go from the second he opens his eyes (6am this morning!), he did stay in bed but was literally bouncing, kicking etc. I don't think he can control his energy and then it gets to manic point.

As I said DP is incredibly lazy with them and happy to stick the DTs in front of the TV/ on tablets for hours a day. Makes me so cross and doesn't help him cope with RL!!

I did try to make a GP appointment today but they only offered me today (couldn't do because I'd have to take DTS2, plus it's not urgent) or Feb 5th. No idea how they decide which dates to offer as yesterday I was told they only offered a week ahead! Fingers crossed they can offer me something tomorrow which is more convenient.....

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LucyLockwood · 15/01/2020 18:59

Perhaps I should have taken the GP appointment today..... he was having a meltdown by 3.45pm!! Sigh!

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ButtonandPickle19 · 15/01/2020 19:35

Oh dear! Fingers crossed for tomorrow! Have you tried a chill out zone? DSS likes the cat bed (not most hygienic I know but that’s where he feels safe!) it’s a darker corner in the smallest room in the house and he curls up with the cats and a blanket

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LucyLockwood · 20/01/2020 10:51

@ButtonandPickle19 I love your DSS's chill out zone!! DTS1 doesn't have one but mainly because DTS2 (who is LOUD at the best of times) would only come along and say "WHY YOU IN THERE? COME AND PLAY! MUMMY, HE IN THERE!" and so on...... we don't have a very big house therefore not much opportunity for his own space.

We've had no internet either for a few days which is a right pain! Hopefully sorted properly tomorrow. Still no luck with the GP either, if all else fails I'll go in tomorrow or Wednesday rather than phoning. I worry that it sounds a bit petty but I'd rather rule out any medical causes and then if we have to look at anything else such as ASD at least I'll have started the ball rolling.

He has been slightly better these past few days and seems to understand the concept of waiting for his gro clock, even if not the actual practice! He nearly got run over today on a pedestrian crossing - he waited for the green man, set off, then I had to snatch him back as a woman driving towards us hadn't seen the lights change and did an emergency stop a couple of feet from him - we were both shaking and he kept saying "but I didn't do anything wrong Mummy!". Nearly broke my heart Sad

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LucyLockwood · 08/02/2020 22:16

Well, I thought DTS1 had actually been a bit better recently - not many meltdowns and been concentrating more - but this evening made me really sad. DP took DTS2 round to FIL's for a bit earlier - told me what a nice time they had. I went to the shops with DTS1, all good until DP had a few drinks and decided to tell me that FIL says DTS2 is "his favourite" - I said that isn't something you should say about your DGC - DP said "well he says DTS1 isn't a nice child, he's a bit sly, too much hard work for him and MIL." I was Shock Shock - asked if they don't want to have DTS1 round any more then? Oh no, that's not what they mean, but they very much prefer DTS2 Sad

(DP has no tact at the best of times - I'm not sure FIL knew he'd repeat the conversation to me - but still, I don't think FIL should have said it!)

Don't know where to go from here really, we literally have no other childcare apart from PIL, and all FIL will say is "I was only being honest" if I raise it with him. They only have the DC one afternoon a week anyway, it's not a massive commitment, but now I'll always be wondering if they actually want DTS1 there at all. I think I will be contacting the HV on Monday to see if they can offer any advice, because if his grandparents think that about him, it's made me very sad and worried about what other people think about him.

My poor, beautiful little boy. I pointed out that he is four years old and in need of help, not demonising, but don't think DP was listening...

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ReallyLilyReally · 09/02/2020 17:11

It sounds to me like your DP needs to step up or step out, why are you the only parent trying to help your child here?

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RubaiyatOfAnyone · 10/02/2020 01:40

You poor things (you and DTs). I think you have two separate issues: your DT1’s hyperactivity/sleep issues which should definitely be pursued with a paediatrician (even if all it does is rule out any medical conditions, this may just be his personality.)

Secondly, and equally hard work for you, are your husband and his family’s shitty attitude towards your children. No family members should discuss their “favourites” among children, particularly not twins who suffer from unconscious comparisons more than most. And this sort of insidious comparison is just as damaging long term to the golden child as it is to the scapegoat. No parents should opt out of parenting in favour of screens because parenting is hard (i don’t say this as a screen hater, but they are not a substitute for active parenting). I’m assuming that you H isn’t as motivated to find a cause/solution to DT1’s behaviour because he doesn’t deal with it daily, you do?

Neither your H not his father sound like they particularly know how to parent. I never say LTB, but would you life actually be harder if they weren’t in it, given that you seem to be bearing the brunt of the day to day work/ thinking/ compassion?

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LucyLockwood · 10/02/2020 23:00

Thank you for your replies @ReallyLilyReally and @RubaiyatOfAnyone Smile

I think you completely hit it Rubaiyat with DP not bothering as much because he doesn't bear the brunt of DTS1's behaviour. He gets annoyed/ frustrated etc when DTS1 doesn't behave the way he wants him to but puts zero effort into helping him understand why this is wrong: why he should use his kind hands, why he should take turns, why he shouldn't run away from adults when we're out and about, etc etc. And he is still sticking both DTs in front of screens rather than actually interacting with them. Grrrr.

I haven't decided yet how to tackle the favouritism or the issues with DP (am full of a streaming cold at the moment and my brain isn't on top form!) but I just loathe it. When I thought about it I realised that DTS1 has probably aware of it already; DTS2 loves going to PIL but often DTS1 will say he wants to stay with me/ stay at home/ go to the park instead. (He is fine when he does stay, just doesn't enjoy it as much as DTS2 and never asks to go!)

I spoke to our HV today about an assessment for him, we're going to wait till after parents' evening at school this week and go from there, I want to see if his teacher raises any issues. The HV gave me a pretty standard talk about all DTs (and indeed DC) being different, what's normal for one isn't for another etc... but it's precisely because DTS2 is NT that I have something to compare DTS1 to and realise that perhaps he could do with extra help in some areas...

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