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Possible reflux?? Ways to ease it?

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ratbagcatbag Sat 13-Apr-13 01:38:21


Got a dd who's four weeks old, after every feed she's hiccuping and being sick and generally unsettled. Worst thing is I can get her to sleep sat up, or on her tummy on me, but the moment she lays on her back no matter how deep a sleep she's in, she wakes after about ten mins because she's been gurgling away with sick coming up, and you can here it all in the back of her throat sad
I raised the Moses basket with a few books but that seemed to make it worse as she can't spit out what's in her throat.
Anyone got any experience of this?

ratbagcatbag Wed 17-Apr-13 09:28:05

Hi again everyone

Gaviscon has definitely eased her symptoms but she's still gurgling and choking and generally unsettled, I'm going to go back to the drs with her, but wanted advice on what the next step on medication is as I really don't want to be fobbed off, last night was hell.

ratbagcatbag Wed 17-Apr-13 19:24:01

Hello, just bumping for advice before I go to the drs tomorrow morning on what my next steps should be.

lifesobeautiful Wed 17-Apr-13 20:47:46

Ugh reflux is horrible - it's just awful seeing them uncomfortable.

Gaviscon worked very well for us. He still used to bring up milk a bit - but he wasn't uncomfortable. The really revolutionary thing for us was a dummy - which was recommended by our GP I think. The sucking helps keeps the acid down and gives them comfort. You give it to her straight after her bottle.

Otherwise I"m afraid you just have to keep a huge supply of muslins and dribble bibs at hand and wait it out. They do grow out of it and it will get better.

Good luck!

lifesobeautiful Wed 17-Apr-13 20:50:32

Oh sorry - just saw your latest posts. They'll probably offer you ranitidine - which is like zantac, and I think works well, though DS never had it. You just have to be very firm with the doctor about how serious you think it is.

Cuddlydragon Thu 18-Apr-13 00:02:35

Ranitidine is very very weight sensitive. It needs adjusted every pound or so. Losec less so but much harder to give if they prescribe Losec Mups over the solution.

ratbagcatbag Thu 18-Apr-13 00:40:49

From your pm cuddly I've been looking it all up. I tried lying dd down within minutes she was choking and distressed. sad I'm going to ask for losec, I can't see me getting the solution, but I'm going to ask for it. Also ordering a sleep wedge on next day delivery from the website you recommended, I'm hoping a 15 degree incline is enough, she seems to need a very small one once settled, so currently she's in the crook of my arm , so virtually lying down, no choking at all. I'm really hoping that works.

It will be a big change here as she's nearly outgrown her Moses basket so have got to dismantle her big cot bed and reassemble it in our room, getting the cat net tomorrow for cot bed, although as the cat is glaring at me lots when I have dd I'm not sure that she's going to be that bothered. Wedge will turn up Friday, so Friday night I really hope I get some sleep, interestingly dd can go over four hours when propped up, so lets see.

MiaowTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 08:26:32

We've had a rough couple of days of it - not so much the upchucks, which have dropped to a weak watery dribble so the milk's not coming up as much - but with her just being so uncomfortable, and sometimes I HAVE to put her down in her basket as I've got a just turned 1 year old, who's learnt to crawl and is hellbent on finding ways to try to injure herself or destroy things... plus she's desperate for some of my time and attention too. Zero sleep the last two nights - I've got pain in my shoulders from trying to sleep with her supported semi-upright to make her more comfortable... she won't even tolerate being in a sling so that's not an option.

Just not even sure it's worth going back to the GP since they're of the opinion that weight gain = all is good and shiny and happy.

Cuddlydragon Thu 18-Apr-13 11:23:13

Oh no Miaow, please please go to gp and ask for a referral. Honestly not being content or happy is enough to treat. Weight loss is only an indicator. I get so cross with GPs. I ended up changing gp as he disagreed with the paed, who is a specialist in reflux. My gp wouldnt adjust meds for weight even on the paeds telephone advice. My DS weight gain was ok because we sat hour on hour dribbling milk in if he would take it, sometimes with a syringe. Weight loss and more importantly dehydration is just another bloody problem to fix. Please, it doesn't have to be so miserable for both of you.

Cuddlydragon Thu 18-Apr-13 11:25:36

Rat, I prefer the mups. The solution is hard to find and unstable. The mups tablet dissolves in a teeny bit of water and can be syringed in. I have proper local dispensing chemist who could make the solution but the tablets were more reliable for us. 15 degrees worked for us.

MiaowTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 12:42:23

Going to broach it again in her 6 week check which should be in a week and a bit's time (but the damned GP hasn't put the appointment slots on the system to get things booked in yet - grrr)... poor lass has a frown line wrinkle already and she's only 4 weeks old!

She's so far (touch wood) been better today - taken two nice big feeds in one installment, settled straight off after the second one as well in her sloped moses basket.

Hoping if I can get the 6 week check booked with the decent GP I normally see I can push the protecting my maternal mental health angle (I've had anxiety issues for a while linked to my first's birth) and get some joy that way if needs be.

Nicolaeus Thu 18-Apr-13 13:07:34

Def keep trying. We tried lots of meds until at 6 months we were told there was nothing else to try (not in uk). At 9 months the paed was concerned that DS was still throwing up 10 times + a day and referred us for tests. Then a gastro specialist (for children). FINALLY got meds which worked when DS was 12 months.

The difference to his sleep was incredible. Still threw up occasionally until 15 months but is better now at 19 months (tho still on meds)

ratbagcatbag Thu 18-Apr-13 13:24:59

Ok my lovely dr went to prescribe losec, but in our area it can only be done via paeditrician, cue emergency referral going through smile more gaviscon given and the wedge you advised on the site cuddly is being delivered tomorrow, I was seeing how low n angle I could get dd last night whilst she was sleeping on me and I was on mn, interestingly so long as she stayed upright for thirty mins then it was fairly low, so I'm hoping the 15 degree one does it.

Meow you ought to look at baby, they explain thy to get the same angle as a 15dgree wedge you would need nine house bricks under the end of the cot, the wedge is fairly cheap too, around £20. Well worth a try, I'm hoping tonight is my last bad night.

MiaowTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 13:30:25

Going to look at the wedge but it needs to wait till payday next week cos we're desperately skint since all the outlay from me spending the best part of a month and and out of hospital on and off's just hit this month (flipping TV and parking charges!) The moses basket's quite easily inclined - I just wrapped a load of blankets around one of the parts of the stand, harder to do with the cot really.

DolomitesDonkey Thu 18-Apr-13 14:57:45

Don't worry about the wedge - just stick books under the legs of one end of the cot! smile

Cuddlydragon Thu 18-Apr-13 18:28:13

Glad you've got a plan of attack guys. Good luck!

ratbagcatbag Sat 20-Apr-13 01:57:26

Cuddly, I possibly luffs you for ever and ever wine flowers hell more flowers this is my first check in after putting dd down in her own cot at 10:45, that means I've had nearly three hours fantastic deep sleep as there was no choking or gurgling and dd woke me purely by making sucking noises although ignoring the fact she has taken 1 measly oz and is snoring again the wedge has worked, I still need to sit her up for thirty mins, but she was zonked on it and didn't wake up when I put her down. Also thanks to advice re gaviscon, I noticed shes not constipated but its definitely changed consistency of poo and she's struggling so I've stopped daytime gaviscon as can have her upright for ages and currently just using it in the night feeds which are getting less as shes settled. I guess we will have good and bad days, but at least this is a fab start.
Miaow I found it really has made such a difference smile

ratbagcatbag Sat 20-Apr-13 02:17:38

Sorry, also massive thanks to everyone else who offered advice too, it was also invaluable and I have no doubt ill be back again soon asking for more smile

ratbagcatbag Sat 20-Apr-13 08:29:39

Bugger second half of night nowhere near as good, but it's also dd first night in a cot so when put her down the second time she woke up which then resulted in getting het up, this made reflux worse so back in on dad upright for hours. Oh well, I know it does work.

MiaowTheCat Sat 20-Apr-13 17:20:23

Interested to hear how it's going - looking into wedges the middle of next week-ish.

Anywhere easy to get Carobel over the counter anyone knows of? (Boots is miles away) Don't really want to be bothering the GP for a prescription since he was snotty about prescribing it the first time around and I live in fear of running low on anything!

We had a shit night - not so much the little reflux lady but her slightly bigger sister who is teething badly with the world's slowest cutting pair of teeth (so far we're on week 2.5 of the utter hell screaming phase with no luck). She woke up screaming, and eventually her sister decided to join in, at which point the reflux then kept her (and us) awake the remainder of the night.

I swear if my inlaws giggle about sleepless nights again I'll reach down through skype and murder 'em...

Cuddlydragon Sun 21-Apr-13 00:02:15

Great news on improvement. The gaviscon might be better in alternate bottles but the thing with reflux is to experiment til you find what works for you. Some combination will work. If you find gaviscon in every bottle is what you need your gp will prescribe lactulose for the constipation for example.

ratbagcatbag Mon 22-Apr-13 00:15:43

Everything bad again, getting to wits end now. She's so asleep upright on me, within minutes of lying her down even on the wedge she's choking and waking herself up. I just can't do this night after night. sad

blondieminx Mon 22-Apr-13 00:36:28

It's hideous isn't it? I really do sympathise. What time does the GP surgery open, ask them to chase up the emergency referral for you.

ratbagcatbag Mon 22-Apr-13 00:55:43

I'm just sat here in tears, she's fast asleep on me on my tummy, it's just so tempting to sleep like that but so dangerous. sad I really don't know how I can do this, I will ring drs tomorrow to chase up appointment, I can't survive on so little sleep, but have no idea how to get any safely.

ratbagcatbag Mon 22-Apr-13 00:58:42

Miaow - check this out

Sorry crap at links smile

ratbagcatbag Mon 22-Apr-13 01:00:44

Although I'm tempted to bid just for the sleep positioner smile

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