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SayCoolNowSayWhip Mon 01-Apr-13 11:36:40

A carry on from the Pregnant and Overdue - 37/38 weeks thread in Pregnancy.

For those of us who have finally met our bundles of joy!

Come here to share birth stories, newborn issues, feeding, tips on how to deal with toddler siblings, or just general gripes and chit chat.

DS was born on Saturday and just sleeps and eats. I have a 2.5 yo DD who is being a bit of a monkey (understandably) with the new addition.

DS looks like he has a posterior tongue tie which is making latching incredibly painful. Have sent DH out for nipple shields - anyone used these?

PickledInAPearTree Mon 08-Apr-13 17:18:15

It's such an odd thing to say! It's really good to get out and about.

They do come out with some things, they told my friend if she fancied taking some recreational drugs her and her husband should take turns so there is someone to look after the baby! WTF?

Dirtymistress Mon 08-Apr-13 17:47:38

Ha pickled! I think that's sage advice indeed. DP home in an hour, I think I might go and get some recreational drugs and leave him in charge! I would probably have hours of fungrin

twinklesparkles Mon 08-Apr-13 18:03:30

Well, what an absolute fucking shite day sad sad

Midwife came, weighed baby... Baby had lost weight.. Yup I know completely normal and ok... Except my babys gone from 8lbs 6oz ... To 7 lbs 8oz sad can't fucking believe it sad way too much lost. Had to go into nicu, for her to have blood taken, thankfully everythings fine.

Need to top baby up now though, she's had 4 ounces (2x2oz feeds) I'm supposed to breast feed her every 2-3 hours then give her the bottle straight after. She wasn't intrested in the boob this afternoon. Will try again tonight. Nipple hurts so much sad I kinda just want to formula feed her now. At least then I'd be doing something right my breastmilk was clearly doing absolute fuck all ... Think dd has just been sucking on me for comfort rather than feeding. And me being the idiot I am didn't even realise she wasn't taking anything in.

sad knew it was too good to be true, god forbid anything ever goes properly...

Gaah! Sorry pity party and language

I'm just so fucked off... My midwife was lovely though, think she's coming tommorow to see us. Weighing again on friday.

Not looking forward to meeting the health visitor now Sorry I don't mean to diss hv, I know some are lovely, and my new one could be too, I've just never had a good one and the weight being critisized mentioned.

I haven't got a problem with formula feeding whatsoever, it was just so nice having my dd with me and close to me for feeding sad knew it was to good to be true.


PickledInAPearTree Mon 08-Apr-13 18:34:20

Twinkle the same happened to me, he lost 13.5% he was checked at the hospital but they kept him in for tests.

Try not to stress he put it all back on on days it was amazing.

I breastfed and topped up with expressed milk - he was in hospital 5 days only as he'd also been bringing up bile and they wanted to check his bowel.

PickledInAPearTree Mon 08-Apr-13 18:36:19

Plus the MW insinuated I might not have good milk, which is bollocks! My HV was annoyed by it.

PickledInAPearTree Mon 08-Apr-13 18:41:35

Dirty - ha have fun. Mine said to me do you do drugs, I said no but as a point if interest does anyone own up to it? She said, er no.

Plus I had so many visits they all kept asking me about contraception I said its simple I'm never ever having sex again!

ZuleikaD Mon 08-Apr-13 18:46:46

SayCool, how's the feeding going? I ask because the doc came today for the newborn check and DS has tt. Which I suspected but hoped would be ok because he's been latching better the last day or so. I'm ambivalent about getting it snipped if there's no need - the GP said it's one to keep an eye on rather than one that obviously needing doing.

SayCoolNowSayWhip Mon 08-Apr-13 19:45:23

Oh Twinkles thanks. It's not your breast milk that's the problem, and you're doing everything right. I hope your LO puts on some weight soon.

Zuleika the feeding is going much better. He's latching better (hardly sore at all now) and feeding for longer. Still very windy though but he gets that from his dad

Regards the TT I would suggest getting it checked out by an infant feeding specialist. GPs and paeds aren't necessarily that au fait with them and might not give you the best information. I'm guessing its a posterior tongue tie? (At the back of the tongue rather than the front). They're harder to see and diagnose. Difficult to say whether getting it snipped is the right thing for you - if he seems to be feeding fine and putting on weight, then maybe not. However, just anecdotally, my DD put on weight fine and whilst it was painful to latch, I didn't know any different. She was however very colicky and windy. The problem with TT is that the baby can't get enough of the areola to the back of the mouth, so gets tired of sucking harder than he needs to just to get the foremilk, and doesn't get any of the good fatty hindmilk. This means he'll be more gassy, more hungry more often, and probably fussy at the breast.

If you're getting engorged a lot, this is also a sign that your breasts aren't getting drained effectively enough.

Not sure how helpful any of that is! I suppose from my experience I would get it snipped, but only you know if it's affecting you and your baby adversely.

SayCoolNowSayWhip Mon 08-Apr-13 19:46:53

Also if you are going to get it snipped, the earlier the better, otherwise they get in to 'bad' latching habits which are harder to change the older they get.

RubyrooUK Mon 08-Apr-13 20:52:01

Ah Twinkle, so sorry you are feeling so crap. This isn't your fault at all, not do you have rubbish quality milk, I am sure.

Hopefully your DD will have gained weight by next time you see the midwife; it may just be that she is getting the hang of it.

It might be worth giving the La Leche League a call before that if you get worried though. They offered me some good advice when I was worried about DS1's feeding early on - particularly as he'd been topped up with formula in hospital to sort out his jaundice and had trouble latching on at first. As soon as he got the hang of it, he was the world's most committed breastfeeder. Of course you may already have done this, so forgive me if you have....

But DO NOT go around beating yourself up. Hopefully your DD will put on the weight soon and what could be wrong with her having lovely, comforting feeds with you?

Big hug after your rubbish day. X

Whereisthesnow Mon 08-Apr-13 22:56:21

Twinkles like others have said please don't feel bad. Nothing wrong with a bit of mixed feeding. Keep on with the breast feeding if you're enjoying it. Also hospital policy for weight liss can be a bit arbitrary i think for intervention I.e with amount of weight lost - doesn't mean baby isn't doing well.

Szeli Mon 08-Apr-13 23:28:58

twinkle is that really too much to lose? Don't be disheartened; sure babytwinkle will race back now you've cottoned on to the nipples used as soothers etc. and you can still skin to skin for ff too if you enjoy the closeness.

I'm just checking in too. Cancelled my haematology appointment; didn't want to cut short time in the homelands - which was really enjoyable. Lost my iron tablets tho so I have beautiful black rings round my eyes even tho my mum did two baby snatching moments this weekend.

For the first one I got two whole uninterrupted hours of sleep and the other I had two hours in the pub with two beers and an ice cream sundae (I was rather tiddly) wonderful.

Bad news from the weekend tho - I sunburnt baby b sad didn't even think he was in actual sun that long; kept him in the shade in the most part but bit must have been when people were getting cuddles. I was mortified but he seems ok now AND my c section is infected. No wonder it's sore and iv been feeling lousy. Off for antibiotics now tomorrow!


ZuleikaD Tue 09-Apr-13 09:31:41

Thanks SayCool - no, his tie goes all the way to the front of his tongue. I actually thought it was tied as soon as he opened his mouth the first time but then three different midwives saw him and nobody said anything so I assumed I was wrong. But he's getting green nappies not yellow (so too much foremilk), he's windy, he's not draining my breasts properly, and he's doing the snack-and-snooze pattern so one feed can basically take two hours (that was NOT fun at 2am). I want to breastfeed and don't want to carry on in the hope that it might 'stretch', and I also don't want to get mastitis so I've been on the phone to the surgery this morning and we'll hopefully get a referral. It's useful to know from your experience that it's possible to go private if necessary, so thank you very much for sharing! It wouldn't have occurred to me otherwise.

Twinkle, so sorry to hear you've been having a rubbish time. I'm sure your milk is fine, but there are ways of improving supply, too - porridge oats are very good, and fennel tea is supposed to help a lot too. Also plenty of rest! Good quality milk relies on you taking care of you.

beanzmum Tue 09-Apr-13 11:40:53

Twinkies and Szeli, sending big MN hugs and flowers to you both. I hope today is a much better day for you.

beanzmum Tue 09-Apr-13 11:41:30

Oops, Twinkles blush

SayCoolNowSayWhip Tue 09-Apr-13 14:43:18

Eek, DS has been asleep for nearly 4 hours..... My boobs are exploding..,. What do I do???!!

PickledInAPearTree Tue 09-Apr-13 15:08:14

Dilemma! Tempting to enjoy the peace isn't it.

twinklesparkles Tue 09-Apr-13 15:20:07

Aww thanks everyone smile

I'm sorry about my post yesterday, didn't mean to be so self pitying grin

Babys been having plenty of formula, not as the midwife advised, she said 2oz every 3-4 hours after breast, but my dd isn't into that, she wants between 1-2oz every hour lol. So I'm just giving her what she wants. Normally she just wants the 1 oz. She must just have a tiny tummy from my lack of boob milk sad she's enjoying the formula though and I've fed her myself a few times. Think she's just still using me as a dummy though, or to fall asleep on smile smile

Hope she's gained some by friday when the midwife comes back.

ZuleikaD Tue 09-Apr-13 15:51:19

I think after four hours I'd wake to feed, SayCool.

SayCoolNowSayWhip Wed 10-Apr-13 00:56:43

Yawn. That is all.

beanzmum Wed 10-Apr-13 01:51:54

At bedtime this evening my 3yo DD told me the reason she had been so whiney (sp?) in patches through the afternoon was because 'she just wanted me to hold her'.

When I said that unfortunately the baby took priority now (just like she did when she was a baby), she told me 'in that case mummy, I want 2 of you!'

Got to love kiddie logic smile

in other news baby beanz seems to have woken me at 1.30am for a not quite 15min top up. Unimpressed!

beanzmum Wed 10-Apr-13 02:37:12

Make that a 15min feed, dirty nappy, another 25min feed, then woke when I put him down and protested b/c he wasn't still eating. So still going. Yawn.

SayCoolNowSayWhip Wed 10-Apr-13 03:34:47

Yup, DS does that too Beanz. Feed for 10 mind, falls asleep, poos, wants more food, then complains about nappy change so needs more food to calm him down, poos again.... Etc. etc.

That's adorable logic from your DD!

Whereisthesnow Wed 10-Apr-13 05:01:08

Argh. Fell asleep with ds2 whilst feeding in bed, just woken up. Whilst I feel nice and refreshed, don't like thought that I was out cold and he was balanced on my lap

Dirtymistress Wed 10-Apr-13 07:16:21

Whereisthesnow DP and I are constantly falling asleep holding dirtybaby. I am past caring, least I feel like I am getting loads of sleep. Only downside seems to be that everyone gets very sweatygrin nights are a doddle, it's the long, long days of crap weather, no groups on cos of Easter, and a toddler who needs as much exercise as a border collie to keep him happy. And I can't manage to do any shopping. And this bloody cough is going to finish me offgrin

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