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SayCoolNowSayWhip Mon 01-Apr-13 11:36:40

A carry on from the Pregnant and Overdue - 37/38 weeks thread in Pregnancy.

For those of us who have finally met our bundles of joy!

Come here to share birth stories, newborn issues, feeding, tips on how to deal with toddler siblings, or just general gripes and chit chat.

DS was born on Saturday and just sleeps and eats. I have a 2.5 yo DD who is being a bit of a monkey (understandably) with the new addition.

DS looks like he has a posterior tongue tie which is making latching incredibly painful. Have sent DH out for nipple shields - anyone used these?

beanzmum Wed 03-Apr-13 07:41:08

Hi dirty. I was a bit shock too. But the alternative was spending the night on the postnatal ward with 5 other women & their babies vs. my bed & a roast dinner my best friend had on. At the time was no contest!

Am feeling ok. Although DS decided that feeds at 1.30 (1 boob), 3.30 (2 boobs) and 5.45 (1 boob again) was in order this morning. Now am shattered. Will join you all for a brew.

Thank god for DH being on paternity leave & DD seemingly adjusting ok to him being around for more than just a weekend. Must seem a strange treat for her, as she usually only gets to see him briefly before breakfast on week days.

Whereisthesnow Wed 03-Apr-13 08:15:02

Saycool and ruby poor you - hope you're getting some kip now.
I came home on the evening of ds2 being born - would have been sooner but they wanted to keep us in to check his blood sugars due to his size. They tried to keep me in overnight because my blood pressure was a bit funny but the ward was like a sauna plus staying in was one of the worst things I remembered about ds1 so they let me go.
Talking of which, must make gp appointment today as the midwives keep saying the blood pressure is not great
Hope you all have a good day

SayCoolNowSayWhip Wed 03-Apr-13 08:40:40

<groan> Managed to snatch about an hour and a half sleep on the sofa bed with DS. DD has been having nightmares all night as well as still being ill. DH is ill as well. Am seriously asking myself why the FRIG I thought I could do this....

Right, whinge over.

Hi Beanz! Sounds like a pretty quick labour - well done! Same birth date as my DS as well smile

Is it too early for wine??!

beanzmum Wed 03-Apr-13 10:02:59

Hmmm, whip might be a bit early for wine, but a Bloody Mary may be just the pre-lunch treat you need!

Right. Am off to cook a meat sauce for a lasagne while DH has DD at a holiday camp thing for the morning. Poor mite had a horrid cough last night and is all stuffed up. She's been so good at remembering to cover her mouth if she coughs in the same room as the baby smile. Fingers crossed we don't all come down with the same lurgy. It's hard enough being sleep deprived, let alone ill as well. Whip, hope your DH and DD recover quickly.

RubyrooUK Wed 03-Apr-13 14:13:54

Whereis - is the blood pressure high/low? Hope it gets sorted out by the GP. Is it normally wonky or just post birth?

Can't believe they discharged you so quickly after your DS2 was born. Although I was chucked out 24 hours after my c section, the woman next to me in the ward also had only a few hours (sneeze birth grin) before she was discharged. Post natal wards are so horrible though; I'm not surprised you made your escape. I think they tend to be anti-recovery places. smile

RubyrooUK Wed 03-Apr-13 17:10:39

Oh arse. My friend has just called to say her toddler has chicken pox - they visited this weekend, the day before the spots came out. And her DD kissed DS2 goodbye.

Hopefully DS1 will be ok as he has had CP already; does the newborn tend to get my immunity if I'm breastfeeding? He already has a cold and I'd hate him to get chicken pox so small.....

And there is scarlet fever at DS1's nursery this week. Hoping that DS1 has not licked the face of the affectec child or whatever he normally does that ensures he gets every illness going.

Honestly, how is poor DS2 going to avoid all these illnesses while he is small? Ahhhhhh.

SayCoolNowSayWhip Wed 03-Apr-13 17:44:44

Rubbish. My replies keep disappearing!

Ruby, I hope you manage to escape the chicken pox. I think if you're bfing then yes the immunity should pass to the baby (but not 100% sure). Scarlet fever sounds horrendous as well! Bloody nurseries..... smile

DS saw infant feeding specialist today and definitely has a posterior tongue tie. NHS can't do anything till June confusedshockangry so having to pay for a private snippage on Friday. Hopefully this will sort some of the bfing issues.

Definitely finding it difficult with 2 of them. Newborns are relatively easy compared to toddlers!

Szeli Wed 03-Apr-13 18:45:45

Is everybody on at least number two then? I bow down ladies.

Anybody formula feeding? I intended to breast feed so never read up on bottles but the way they suggest (letting a new kettle cool each time; making each bottle up as you go) just doesn't seem practical...

Thanks for the kind words ladies; back in hospital now Monday, bricking it xx

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Wed 03-Apr-13 18:58:25

hi! can I join please?

wasn't on original thread, don't have a toddler, I have a.9 yo DD.

more of a place marker so I can come back later during cluster feed!

DS was born 28.03, elective c-section, 8lb 8oz, BF and I have my mum staying til I am back on my feet (exP is around but doesn't live here so I need the help).

congrats on all the lovely newborns and <sleepy dust> sprinkled liberally around for tonight grin

beanzmum Wed 03-Apr-13 19:02:32

Ruby, if you're BFing and you've had CP, then bub should receive your immunity through breast milk. There is a CP immunisation you can get through your GP, but it's on request and you'd have to pay for it. I don't know from what age babies/ children can receive it though.

Szeli, good luck on Monday!

As for formula, I combination fed DD from 5wks (I simply couldn't keep up with her demands once her first growth spurt hit), and she self-weaned off the breast at 4.5mths at the same point I started to introduce baby rice & plain purees.

I went with Aptamil as I'd read & been told that it's the closest approximation to breast milk (no idea how true that is). DD was happy on it. I went with sterilising bottles, then filling them with boiled water, capping them and leaving them at room temperature. I only ever gave DD formula at room temp (made life so much easier being out & about, not having to worry about having a thermos/ finding a microwave, etc). The powder dissolves perfectly well, and you don't have to worry so much about bacteria as they thrive at temps closer to 40deg C. Just carry the cooled, boiled water in the bottle and the powder separately and mix the feeds as you need them smile

I'm happy with the idea of combination feeding again, especially as I'm rubbish at expressing and I like the idea of DS being able to take a bottle & being fed by people other than me! Am thinking that we'll see how just BFing goes this time around and we may start a bottle of formula every other day or so in a few weeks.

RubyrooUK Wed 03-Apr-13 19:21:31

Thanks everyone. Will ring the health visitor tomorrow to ask stupid questions about CP. I am a bit gutted though as I will have to cancel plans to see relative with cancer who is desperate to see the baby until I know we are CP free...sad

Szeli, about formula feeding, I am not at the moment although I am apparently going back to work at 6mo so may do mixed feeding after that. DS1 would never take a bottle, even of expressed milk (many tears wept over the stress of that when I went back to work last time, I can tell you) and this time I am hoping to have an alternative plan when my breasts can't be there in person. grin

SayCoolNowSayWhip Wed 03-Apr-13 19:46:48

Szeli good luck for the hospital - forgive me if you've said already but what for? And no bowing down necessary - no one is taking away the immense difficulty of your first newborn. Hope you are starting to feel a bit better and recover from the birth.

We didn't formula feed with DD until she self-weaned off the boob at 7 months, but she did take expressed milk from a bottle from about 2 weeks... Personally (and I'm no expert) I'd recommend trying a bottle of expressed reasonably early on to get him used to a bottle, but if he's taking dummies already then he'll probably be ok.

DS has fed better since we saw the IFS (not that she did anything to him physically) so maybe a lot of it is psychosomatic on my part.... He is currently asleep on my chest while DH cooks tea. DD has been a little whingey pants this afternoon and evening and I feel awful to say it but am looking forward to tomorrow when she's spending the day with my PILs.

Dirtymistress Wed 03-Apr-13 19:56:30

Well E was 8.13lb today at clinic, from 7.7lb at birth. Only on the 30th centile which seems bizarre after ds1 being on the 98th for as long as I can remember. I'm formula feeding and he still wants feeding all day long! N has had quite a stroppy day today despite DP being off and us going to swings and Surestart. Invariably he just wants to crawl all over me and cling on like a limpet, and will attempt to push his brother or kick him if he feels he is getting in the way. And my mother arrives tomorrow. Sigh.confused

Whereisthesnow Wed 03-Apr-13 20:53:31

Ruby thanks for asking about my bp - it's usual if fine, just during labour was rather high and a few times afterwards. Think maybe pushing out a 10lb baby had something to do with it ... Anyway it was ok today but high for me, so gp going to keep an eye on it.
Dh and I have got to stage of feeling a bit broken tonight. Ds1 challenging, ds2 never off the boob, think we are all coming down with colds. To add to everything we have leak in our bathroom which has gone into our bedroom next door. Plumber has done temporary repair and we fortunately are getting new bathroom fitted in a few weeks anyway.
Inlaws coming this weekend but considering escaping to my parents next weekend with request that they mop our fevered brows and make us nice food!

Whereisthesnow Wed 03-Apr-13 20:55:50

Ps would second introducing bottle early!
What newborn bottles would you use? I've just got boots own brand which I don't think ds2 is that keen on.
Also what brand of dummy would you use? Think a noise cork would be useful whilst I'm dealing with ds1!

Dirtymistress Wed 03-Apr-13 21:09:32

I use tommee tippee closer to nature ones and cherry teat dummies from wherever. Bad mummy that I amgrin

beanzmum Wed 03-Apr-13 21:51:25

I use the Tommee Tippee closer to nature bottles & teats too. DD favoured the Boots own brand dummies.

DS has a super strong sucking reflex & is already taking a dummy, but (at the moment) likes the Tommee Tippee 0-3mth ones. I just went to Boots & bought some Boots, TT and Avent dummies so I could test DS out on them to find the one he liked grin

Whip, meant to say before that's good news you've had the tongue tie positively ID'd. Totally rubbish you have to pay for it to be fixed in a decent time frame though. One of my NCT friends from 1st time round had serious feeding issues with her DD - tongue tie took almost 3mths to diagnose!

Szeli Wed 03-Apr-13 23:16:41

Baby B refuses anything but Nuk teats (what he had in hospital) but any bottle. Think il just stack up some more bottles and do the cooled way; second person to say that today and all the carton milk is room temp anyway so that makes sense to me. Cheers!

Recovery is slow lived as I keep having flashbacks and bursting into tears and still can't lie down properly but it will come.

They want to test my bloods Monday as I'm on some injections for the next six weeks and they want to test the dose is high enough and my iron levels - why they couldn't do this in the week I was in hospital is beyond me. I hate injections etc but I was past the point of caring when I was imprisioned by them; also how a two hour round trip to the hospital is me recovering from surgery and taking it easy is also beyond me.... Gah


beanzmum Thu 04-Apr-13 02:51:27

My milk came in over the day yesterday, & must admit that I'm glad DS has just woke for a feed (despite cluster feeding like a demon all evening). I've totally got the inflate-a-boob effect going on. And Oh My God but I had forgotten how painful that first latch is! shock

RubyrooUK Thu 04-Apr-13 03:39:11

Oh ouch Beanz. I remember that first latch very well - like your nipples are being shredded.

I had terrible engorgement this time when my milk came in (actually I think DeathMetalMum from this thread kindly posted on another thread I started, asking for help). It was so you remember the tragic character Lolo Ferrari from Eurotrash? That was honestly how I looked for a couple of days. Minus the bleached hair.

Now I just look like I've had an ill-advised over-ambitous boob job for my size which has gone a bit lopsided (depending on when I last fed).

It's all glamour having kids.


RubyrooUK Thu 04-Apr-13 03:42:36

On a more serious note, Szeli, sorry you've had to go back to hospital. That definitely doesn't help anyone to recover. You have had such a hard time. Stupid injections. Are you feeling any better in yourself? X

Radiator1234 Thu 04-Apr-13 09:49:00

Gosh I just feel so exhausted! Struggling to stay awake during night feeds and in the day my body just feels so tired! No plans today so going to sleep when the baby sleeps.....bleurgh!

Szeli Thu 04-Apr-13 10:08:14

Ah ruby it's good to see the funny side of engorgement; my partner is practically in tears most days because he can't have a play.

Anyone ever used ducolax to clear it up? A friend suggested it this week, tbf I could do with the 'help' anyways.

I'm not too bad still sore and weepy but off to the homelands tonight so hopefully that'll be a nice break x

SayCoolNowSayWhip Thu 04-Apr-13 12:25:47

Ducolax to clear up engorgement? Just a note of caution - I don't think you're supposed to take laxatives when bfing as they can pass to the baby..... Worth checking with your midwife Szeli. Sorry to hear you're still suffering from your experience sad Hope things settle down soon. I find lots of newborn cuddles help!

Hope you manage to get some sleep today Radiator. Just remember - this will pass.....

Szeli Thu 04-Apr-13 12:30:12

I'm not bf because I couldn't pick him up post surgery (still can't now) so everyone else had to feed him.

Asked midwife today who gave me some laxatives for the 'normal' usage and said she didn't think it woul work to dry my milk up anyways but if it did mores the bonus - best send the OH for some more cabbage!


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