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DH and I desperate for help/break from the kids (long)

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 22:43

We have two lovely daughters aged 5.9 and 1.10, we live in our home town and we both work (I do three days). Sadly, my own parents are deceased and I have no other relatives. DH has one brother who lives at the other end of the country and who has issues with being out of work/getting divorced/alcoholism. His parents live locally to us, they are both 61 and retired, fit and well.

DH is the elder brother - the 'successful' one. He has a good job - we look for all the world like a family who are 'coping' and 'sorted', however, we are hanging in by the skin of our teeth and so desperate for help with the girls. They are lovely children, but both very verbal, bright and demanding (I wouldn't say spoilt - just always on the go and full of ideas - DD1 is on the gifted and talented thingy at school). The 4 year age gap means they demand very different things - the little one wants to play chase, the big one wants help with a jigsaw. We're always knackered. DD1 woke at 5am every day for the first 3 years (sometimes 4am) - we took it in turns to get up at 4-5am every day for that three years until she learned to read a clock. I don't think we have ever recovered. Our marriage isn't in a good state.

In the last 5.9 years, I can count on one hand the times my PILs have helped with the kids. They once took DD1 for a walk when DH rang them from work to tell them I was desperate for help (that was in 2006). They also took her out to feed the ducks on Easter Sunday last year because we had cooked lunch and this gave us chance to clear up the dishes afterwards. We moved house in January and they gave us half a day of help but this consisted of (literally) barricading DD2 into the dining room until she howled and howled, at which point MIL repeatedly told her she was 'naughty' (she wasn't - she had been barricaded into a room for hours). On the plus side, we got to move lots of boxes around the house, though they left at exactly 5pm to have their dinner in a local pub, as 5pm was the time they had agreed with each other to leave. They have never been alone with DD2, who is almost 2.

My in-laws are not very perceptive and even when I've tried to explain we need help, it seems to go over their head. They rarely visited until recently (FIL retired 5 years ago) when MIL retired from her part-time job and complained she didn't know how she would fill her time (FIL goes fishing and watches a lot of telly). She decided she would visit every Thursday. I work every other Thursday, which means she collects DD1 from school on the weeks I work. She brings sweets for both children but doesn't see DD2 as DD2 is at nursery that day. I do appreciate this help, but it's always felt more about filling MIL's time than helping us out. FIL rarely visits unless we are cooking him a meal, particularly if he thinks it will be a barbeque. When he does visit, he is totally disinterested in the kids but very interested in our telly because we have Sky TV and he doesn't. He pointedly visits if there's a football match he wants to see but is quite happy to sit alone in the sitting room with the door closed where the kids can't disturb him.

DH says his parents both grew up in emotionally cold households. He is disappointed by the lack of involvement (which hit him last December when they refused to come to DD1's nativity play because it was being held at 9.30am and they didn't want to get up so early) but accepts this is how they are. They are recently beginning to show some interest in DH's brother since he admitted being an alcoholic. In comparison, we seem fine. In reality, we are screaming. Not waving but drowning.

I would love not to have to do the bedtime thing, just once. I would love somebody else to make the kids' tea - just once. They are well behaved, in a good routine, go to bed at 7pm and always go straight to sleep. We have a babysitter we pay but obviously we can't stay the night anywhere. I worry we are heading for a divorce - we spend no time together, we pass the children like batons to juggle our work commitments, we spilt up all the time to give the children the attention they need (for example, one takes DD1 rollerskating, the other stays home with DD2 who still has a nap).

I have really begun to resent this situation. We have no life, no marriage. We are like zombies, two mates doing 24 hour on-call rotas looking after these children with no support whatsoever. I have begun to resent my in-laws, especially when they tell me of the increasingly bizarre ways they are finding of filling their time (most recently, travelling to random places and back via several modes of transport, just to fill their day and because it's free now they have a bus pass - they have a car too). DH was going to invite them for Easter but I've finally said no. I don't want to cook for them - we have them several times a year for sunday lunch and they usually repay the favour once (boxing day, cold meats and bread type thing). I'm so tired, I don't know where to turn.

Not good this, is it?

I feel so lonely and desperate for a break.

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BooBooGlass · 16/04/2011 22:47

You ar ebeing massively unfair on your inlaws. Your dc are just that. Your dc. They are under no obligation to help, and that you expect it, and resent when it's not offered, is awful. I'm on my own with 2 similarly aged dc. I have no family here. I cope. To uninvite them from Easter is petty and rude. If you need help, ask friends, hell, even pay a babysitter so you can have time alone. But don't blame your problems and your tiredness on your inlaws.

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MavisEnderby · 16/04/2011 22:49

I just wonder if you could afford a nannying agency that could babysit the dcs?Maybe you could try to find one that does overnight sits so you could get some time together once in a while???

I do sympathise,am a LP with 2 dcs.It is hard,though am lucky to have supportive parents who do come up every month and that lets me get a much needed lie-in!

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Portoeufino · 16/04/2011 22:50

Sorry but your children are YOUR children. You have NO rights and expectations that your PILS should give you a break. What they do in their spare time is none of your business. If you want a babysitter then pay one.

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 22:51

I suppose I wish I had my own parents. They are dead. I have a long history of depression/anxiety. Perhaps I shouldn't have had them. I never realised how hard it would be, thought the inlaws would be interested.

Your replies have made me feel shit. Thanks

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EldonAve · 16/04/2011 22:51

Why can you not do activities as a family?
Surely your younger child can sleep in the buggy?

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EldonAve · 16/04/2011 22:53

You can also do adult stuff that you want to do and drag the kids along
You don't have to entertain them constantly

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PelvicFloorsOfSteel · 16/04/2011 22:55

Do you know any of your older DDs friends parents well enough to arrange the odd child swap? Particularly if they have a younger one of a similar age? I'm sure there are plenty of other people out there who are also longing for a night off and would be willing to exchange with you.

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BooBooGlass · 16/04/2011 22:55

WHy, if the dc have a good bedtime routine and ar ein bed by 7 do you spend no time together? Why can't your dp do the bedtime routine?
I'm sure noone is out to make you feel liek shit. But your OP made you sound liek you had a massive sense of entitlement tbh. And a reread shows that they do help and show love to your dc. If you think it's a depression issue, then your GP is the place to start. But really, blaming your situation on your inlaws is looking at the situation completely illogically. Look at your title, compared to the post. Your post is about your resentment of your inlaws. I'd say that's a completely seperate issue isn't it?

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 22:55

She doesn't sleep in the buggy because she's dead 'physical' - hates being in the buggy, would never sit in it and watch DD1 rollerbooting for example, would just sit and scream about being contained.

If she'd go in the buggy it would help enormously.

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TheArmadillo · 16/04/2011 22:57

Your ILs don't want to help. Its sad but nothing you can do.

As to rescuing your marriage you need to make the most of the time you have got. You say the kids go to bed at 7pm every night - well that gives you the evenings together for a start. And you get a babysitter for nights out? Um I'm not sure exactly how much more time you think other people get Confused

There is also plenty of activities you can do as a family together - parks, softplay, swimming.

You seem to feel hard done by but its a bit hard to see why.

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 22:57

oh sorry should have said, DH works night shifts
Hence feeling like you are passing batons all the time. I'm home, he leaves. Completely knackered the rest of the time.

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BooBooGlass · 16/04/2011 22:57

She is less than 2. She cannot dictate your day. My ds was like this, the solution is to put reins on them and thread the buggy straps through so they can't get out. He no longer has a problem with the buggy and still happily sleeps in it most days at 2.10

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MavisEnderby · 16/04/2011 22:58

Bisto,I hope my answer did not sound unsupportive.i am truly sorry about your parents that must be very difficult.Sadly life has a way of dealing out this crap.(I was widowed last year).It is unfortunate that PILS aren't supportive but as others have said ultimately it isn't their responsibility.(own pils are very elderly and though will have dcs for short periods i wouldn't expect them to have them for a long period.)I was trying to post a viable solution,as you say you both work FT so i felt maybe you could budget for someone to babysit/do an overnight stay but obv don't know the ins and outs of your circumstances.I am sorry you are feeling low right now xx Mavis

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caughtinanet · 16/04/2011 22:58

I'm not sure how to ask this without making you feel worse that you say you do already but I'm wondering if there's something you're not telling us.

I'm not sure from your post why it is that two parents are finding two children such a struggle. I know its hard to work and raise children but with two parents who are around everyday you should be able to share the load so each of you get some break from the daily grind.

A 4 year age gap isn't so huge that your children can't do the same things (I have a 5 year gap between two of my DCs and they can enjoy the same things).

Is there another issue ?

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hocuspontas · 16/04/2011 22:59

This just sounds normal to me. If your dds are in bed by 7 and you are tired, why not go to bed as well? You both work, so you do get a break. And your evenings are your own. You sound resentful - are all your friends having nights away and you can't? I know bringing up a family is hard work, especially if you get no help. We didn't but then we didn't expect it either. Hope you find a solution.

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EldonAve · 16/04/2011 22:59

If you keep taking her out of the buggy when she yells then she'll keep yelling as it's working

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 23:00

You know, I have so many blessings. I just can't cope with these children. I need help. I have two fit and healthy in-laws who never give help. I just can't cope. I have no sense of entitlement, just hoped things would be different.

Can't see a way out.

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noddyholder · 16/04/2011 23:00

The shift patterns are the problem here the children

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deepdarkwood · 16/04/2011 23:01

Your PIL aren't the issue here, I think - they are something to blame. You sound knackered and unhappy. You need to reclaim some happiness and take some control. Make a list of things YOU (& dh) would like to do - the kids can come along - art gallery, walk in the woods, bus ride - anything you fancy.

And look around for friends who can do kid swops with you! Do you have any mates with kids the same age as yours? My two do sleepovers & having 4pm-10am is absolute bliss.

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K999 · 16/04/2011 23:01

It won't always feel like this. Your youngest DD is still little and I imagine hard work. Most kids are at that age. I agree, concentrate on the good things and focus on even little things that would help.

I would also say never live your life in a state of "expectation'. By that I mean expecting how others should act/behave. IME it only leads to disappointment and frustration. Smile

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noddyholder · 16/04/2011 23:01

Not the children

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deepdarkwood · 16/04/2011 23:02

Ah, missed the shift issue - that does make things much harder....

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