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Rapists, and what to do with them

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HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:16:50

Firstly i want to apologise for 'going off on one' on that other thread. That thread was about a specific case and i made it personal. I shouldnt have done but i got wound up and angry.

Secondly, Its bought to my attention the way i feel about the justice system and punishments for rapists.

I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. On the other thread i was called 'unhinged' and many other things but like i said i was wound up.

But i stand by what i said and am just taking my opinions away from that thread cause that thread is on a specific case iykwim

this probably makes no sense but im struggling to understand why people dont agree that nothing less than torture and death is good enough for a rapist?

and cause you cant tell tone of voice in a post im just letting you know that im not typing out of anger, more just thinking allowed.

joash Tue 05-Jul-05 23:18:23

Here, here Happyhuggy - couldn't agree with you more .

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:19:52

Because I dont believe violence and torture fit into a civilised justice system dealing with people who are most probably victims themselves of dreadful crimes.

SenoraPostrophe Tue 05-Jul-05 23:19:54

would you feel the same if it was your son?

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:20:03

thank fuck for that, was expecting to get slated.

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:20:32

if my son committed crimes such as them then yes

SenoraPostrophe Tue 05-Jul-05 23:20:39

toture and death have no place in a civilised society.

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:21:37

neither does rape but yet it exsists - why not punish them with toryure and death?

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:22:16

If someone raped my child, then yes, I'd want to torture them etc but I believe a civilised society does not allow it's victims to choose the punishment. That's what we have a justice system for.

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:22:40

Then noone is civilised.

SenoraPostrophe Tue 05-Jul-05 23:22:59

just no, hh

there is a world of difference between one f*cked up individual and state sanctioned murder

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:23:23

a justice system that does what? feeds and clothes the perverted scum. it'd be cheaper and more effective to shoot them.

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:24:05

What about finding out after you've shot them that actually they were innocent?

SenoraPostrophe Tue 05-Jul-05 23:25:11

ffs

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:25:30

Why not take those kids who are being abused now and shoot them before they reach the stage of being a possible rapist?

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:26:18

its more fuc*ed up to let them carry on living and breathing than it is to kill them

and as far as innocent people go - its hard enough to get a conviction for rape as it is.

Caligula Tue 05-Jul-05 23:27:21

A. Because torture is not something a civilised legal system can countenance

B. Because the death penalty is the worst penalty there is, and rape, heinous though it is, is not the worst crime there is. Apologies to anyone who has been through it and feels strongly, but rape victims are not left dead, and murder victims are. There has to be some proportion in meting out penalties. Otherwise "you may as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb". If the penalty is the same for any crime as it is for murder, the criminal may as well do the murder as well.

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:27:40

The trouble is once you commit murder and torture then you are no better then them. How is that a civilised society?

Caligula Tue 05-Jul-05 23:30:16

And who is going to train the torturers? Will there be NVQ's for them, or will anyone who feels strongly simply be allowed to walk into a prison and torture someone?

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:30:44

Mmm, wonder what sort of people will want a job doing that.

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:32:21

I think the victim should have the pleasure of inflicting back some of the pain she has recieved.

I just dont understand how people can have compassion for the perverted scum. I cant see how people could argue against it purely on the basis of 'civelised society' surely a rapist has opted out of being part of that civilised society but commiting his crime?

Caligula Tue 05-Jul-05 23:32:37

Just read the thread again.

Are you really suggesting that vulnerable children of eight, nine, ten, should be taken out and shot because they've been sexually abused, rather than counselled and offered support?

Because if you are, I just can't see how it's possible to have a rational debate.

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:33:27

and yes i wouls do that job and still sleep soundlt at night - i would be doing a favour for society.

hercules Tue 05-Jul-05 23:34:00

Do you not wonder what makes a person that way in the first place? Can you not consider that counselling, rehabiliation and incarceration have a place?

I would take no pleasure personally in torturing a human being and I've known some shit ones.

HappyHuggy Tue 05-Jul-05 23:34:12

no caligula, thats why ive swopped threads. which is what isaid in my first post.

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