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Tots bots Vs Ebay Cheapies(29 Posts)
I'm a cheapskate. What's the difference between bamboo totsbots nappies and the bamboo new washable nappies you can get on ebay, apart from price (16 pounds vs 2.50)?
With totsbots are you just paying for a label?
I bought from yellowbloom (ebay seller) - nappies are fine, they do leak if left on for longer than about 3 hours though, and don't hold in poo too well (but nothing is holding my LO's poo or wee at the moment, everything seems to leak out of his right leg-hole).
Just received one TB nappy from my mum, it's cute, but very bulky, and I didn't like that the whole nappy got wet. On the pocket ones from eBay, just the stuffer gets wet, whereas I find that with the TB, although it doesn't leak, the whole inner nappy gets wet, right up to the waistband.
I used to try to buy british for nappies, and started out with tots bots and nature babies, then discovered thirsties and kissaluvs (both usa) which doesn't do much for the carbon footprint but lovely products! I haven't gone down the ebay cheapie route as I'm also of the view that some things are just too cheap (certain tesco clothing for example - no idea where it's made but how can they sell t-shirts for less than £2 and make a profit on it without using dodgy labour somewhere?). I'm not about to preach we all have to make our own choices but for me I do prefer to avoid the really cheap brands, also I want my stuff to last. I never used to buy frugi clothes as they are so expensive but then got given something and it was so well made and just washed and kept going so well I was converted - tho can't afford it new so mostly watch for it in nearly new sales lol.
Oeko-tex is an ecological certification not an ethical one.
I think we'd better agree to a difference of opinion before someone has to invoke Godwin's law!
Not if the fabrics and materials are oeko-tex certified, trix, as Tots Bots all are.
And be careful thinking that the business is a us based family business, it's very easy for chinese companies to say that, and ebay won't check if it's true...
I do get the issues people have with imports and sweat shops etc. But as we have a minimal manufacturing industry in this country I think we are all kidding ourselves if we think buying locally made products are truly ethical.
Yes the person making the final product might be better paid, but the fabrics and materials and sewing machines and packaging is all made in the same types of factories in India, the far east & China.
People will buy what they like, I like my cheap nappies, I prefer them to some other brands that I have.
I type this on my mobile phone which was probably put together by a six year old in Indonesia.
I haven't tried the Chinese nappies, but personally think that it's a false economy getting the cheapest nappy. My Tots Bots have lasted through 3 children, as opposed to a cheaper brand (not off Ebay) that fell apart after a few months.
So, my vote for Tots Bots every time...
Sorry, just read further. I got some night time boosters with the Dudeybaba tag on and so far seem ok but thanks for letting us know about the nappies.
Im watching some minkies too that are US made by what look like a family run business. I love the animal prints they've got on them.
Ive had a few other bits off them like corner bumpers and that. What've they done Cereal?
I've got stash of Ebay (UK) cheapies, DP finds pocket nappies easier and I could buy just the outer quite cheaply which is all I needed as I had a pile of Mothercare smart nappy inners from DD1.
I bought the ones which said they were a UK seller. The first set I bought, the inner PUL has separated so it looks like a thin plastic bag inside. It looks like it will tear but hasn't - yet. The second batch from the same seller look much sturdier, have a label called Dudeybaba and the PUL hasn't separated - yet.
I did email the seller a few times with my problem (I'd hardly used them when this problem occurred) but surprise surprise, they didn't get back to me. I don't think you would have this problem with a branded name.
Ebay ought to have a process where you can feedback on items after use!
I can't see these lasting that long and I've heard pocket nappies generally rarely last to a second child so if you are thinking about having cloth on two, I'd invest in a two part system, plus you are more likely to be able to sell them on.
I'll check if i can find the seller I used as would not recommend them.
I've got a problem with leaking now, but that may be as I've used cream on DD2 or my washing process - will post on that separately!
Off to find name of seller.
And I think a lot of people do make decisions about baby clothes based on ethics. I will never buy anything for myself or my daughter from primark or similar stores, because there is a reason that stuff is so cheap. I would rather go to a charity shop.
I think people who decide to use cloth late in the game would be better off buying one or two tots bots each week with the weekly shop from tescos until they had their stash, or buying pre-loved, rather than getting ebay cheapies.
Sure, they have laws against it. It doesn't mean they are enforced or even enforcable (just think of speeding in this country, loads of people do it on a regular basis and don't get caught). The kids want to work, and people want to employ them. Also, as it's illegal they'll hardly appear on any payrolls, so I doubt a legal minimum wage will have any effect on their earnings. Just google child labour in China, it comes up with loads of information on it.
So you can't afford ethics, but you're ok with a child most likely forced to live away from their family, barely able to afford to feed or clothe themselves, sleeping on a concrete floor, forced to work long hours with no chance to play, probably beaten, no healthcare, all for a pittance. And if they didn't have that job, what other work would they be doing??!
For baby clothes you're probably better off sticking to well known clothes brands over here, such as M&S or Next, as they employ the "good" factories to make their clothing, rather than the "squalid" ones.
I'm not claiming to be squeaky clean myself, far from it, but at least acknowledging this sort of thing does go on, and trying to do a little about it, is much better than burying your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't happen at all.
My thinking is that you are keeping a person in employment in China and if they didnt have that job what other work would they be doing?
I am a nurse and a mother, so I feel I am doing my bit for making the world a better place.
Because of my DH to be honest. I am a cruel bitch!
Good point about the ethics. I am re-thinking.
Why are you willing to pay more for the comfort of chickens but not for developing world children?
Just purchased an Alva baby cow print nappy from china. Sadly I do not have the funds to be overly concerned about ethics. My biggest concern is my own family. I do buy free range eggs though.
I shall report back my findings in about a month to allow for postage
I don't want to get into some argument over ethics but china does actually have a minimum working age of 16 & a minimum wage. Granted it may not be as generous as the UK or as strictly enforced but it is there. I imagine our baby clothes are produced in worse conditions & I don't see many people arguing that we should buy our onsies from a cottage industry.
For many people the cost of cloth nappies is prohibitive - especially those who decide after baby arrives and have reduced or no income.
The thing that made me regret buying my ebay cheapies was when someone mentioned ethics. Ask yourself do you know WHO has made those nappies? Can you honestly rule out child labour? Can you guarantee they get paid? What are the working conditions like?
I remember watching a programme on telly where they sent some teens over to india to work in factories over there, one good factory, one bad, and one squalid. The squalid one they were working 20 hours a day 7 days a week, no holiday, and earning just enough money to send home to feed their family. Just existing, no life. There was also evidence that children worked there.
So you're happy saving a bob or two to make your own child's life comfortable. Are you still happy knowing a child living in poverty could have made that nappy?
Sorry, I'm just telling it like it is.
I got my unbranded ones from yellowbloom & I actually bought my Alvas directly from the factory. I originally purchased 15 from a seller called 520kissbaby but they never arrived. So I bought 50 of them at a wholesale price and I have the extras on ebay at moment (under the same user name).
Plus, they last well and have a good re-sale value, so if money is an issue, think about how much you'll get back for each when you sell it on.
Well, I've used both and they aren't really comparable in my opinion. The internet cheapies were fine for up to an hour (maybe between bath and bed?) and you could't stuff them too much without huge gape issues (my lo was tall and super skinny).
The TB ones are much more absorbant, even without stuffing. If you mean the bamboozles, obviously they aren't stuffed as they're two-parters.
For me, it also comes down to the ethos. We used cloth to reduce our carbon footprint, and I'd rather buy nappies from Scotland than China any day. Tots Bots fabrics are all oeko-tex certified and I can be sure of good standards of working and pay for the staff. I like the fact I'm supporting a small family run business and if I had any questions or issues the customer service in the office is fab.
They do a great scheme whereby you pay a little a month whilst pregnant and then it all arrives just in time for the baby - I think that's great!
trix I would really appreciate it if you could perhaps recommend a seller, or at least identify a seller that sells similar to what you like. I am looking for more tots bots easyfit type nappies so that would be ideal for me thanking you in anticipation.
Im watching some Alva baby ones and waiting for pay day! Ive seen some animal print minky ones from the USA that look ok. I cant link cos im on my phone.
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