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CALL TO ACTION RE 3000 CHILD REFUGEES

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fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 12:05:07

CALL TO ACTION! If you have or know kids who can write at all, please get them to write to David Cameron regarding the hideous and shameful decision by the Government not to give refuge to 3000 unaccompanied children fleeing war. The goal is to get 3000 letters through his letterbox by the end of the week.
Write to:
The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
Prime Minister
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA
Please share this far and wide on your social media networks and pass on the idea by word of mouth

Tate15 Tue 26-Apr-16 12:06:51

No thank you.

JonStark Tue 26-Apr-16 12:08:15

Why only from children?

Tiggeryoubastard Tue 26-Apr-16 12:10:25

Don't be stupid. Now are you the spammer from the other migrant threads?

wtftodo Tue 26-Apr-16 12:11:30

Love this idea. I know some friends' children who've been learning about the kindertransport who are worried about children in the camps in Europe. Will mention this - my own child can't write yet.
And, I think it's really important to encourage children to empathise, and to get engaged with things they care about. I remember doing lots of similar things as a child though my parents never taught me how I should think - they definitely encouraged me to think. Thank you for the idea

glenthebattleostrich Tue 26-Apr-16 12:11:56

No I won't exploit my child to try to emotionally blackmail politicians.

Tate15 Tue 26-Apr-16 12:11:59

If anything I will consider writing to him to back him up.

WorraLiberty Tue 26-Apr-16 12:12:13

1. What is the reason given?

2. Why are you involving children in something so awful?

NeedACleverNN Tue 26-Apr-16 12:12:46

No.

I'm sorry these children are in this situation and it must be awful for them but the children in this country need help first

CoolforKittyCats Tue 26-Apr-16 12:12:46

No I won't exploit my child to try to emotionally blackmail politicians

Me neither.

howtorebuild Tue 26-Apr-16 12:13:23

Have they had the latest vote? I am happy to help refugees, who is going to foster all these children and will they be HE? I understand there are few school places as we have had an increase in the birth rate.

AuntieStella Tue 26-Apr-16 12:15:43

People might be interested in the two threads on this earlier this morning

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2623219-unaccompanied-migrant-children-solutions?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2623220-unaccompanied-migrant-children-solutions

Yes, same title for both (think it might have been a gremlin double post) but different contributions on each.

Consensus on both is however that it would be totally wrong to take more before there are sufficient support services in place.

howtorebuild Tue 26-Apr-16 12:17:04

Is this poster related to open borders/Emily?

wtftodo Tue 26-Apr-16 12:17:50

How is it exploiting your child to encourage them to stand up for what they believe? if they empathise, of course, plenty of kids might not want to and I don't think the OP is saying "get your child to write something they don't agree with"...
(And, by writing to a politician who literally invokes the name of his own dead child to win sympathy at every opportunity while simultaneously pushing to remove support from other parents?)

JonStark Tue 26-Apr-16 12:18:32

I think that 100% these poor children should be allowed here rather than stay where they are.

I don't think it's right to use children to get this done though. Especially small children, who are really too young to be getting involved in this. It would just be sock puppeting.

exLtEveDallas Tue 26-Apr-16 12:19:43

Yep my DD will do this. My neighbour came to England on Kindertransport and has told DD all about it - he reduced us both to tears. This country can easily take 3000.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 12:24:29

Hi sorry I guess my post was unclear. Of course I wasn't suggesting that people MAKE their kids write a letter. This idea came about because I was talking to my kids this morning about the vote last night, and telling them about how we took 10,000 unaccompanied refugee children on Kindertransport in the thirties and my kids said they wanted to write to David Cameron to complain. It seemed like it could be turned into a nice action to try and get 3000 letters from children through David Cameron's letterbox. Obviously if you don't like to talk to your kids about this stuff, or if your kids don't think children fleeing from IS deserve refuge, then that's cool, don't do it.

StrangeLookingParasite Tue 26-Apr-16 12:26:35

I don't think many of them are actually children. That is my main objection.

wtftodo Tue 26-Apr-16 12:26:40

JonStark I guess - but I didn't read the OP like that, ie dictating to small children, just thought about my friends kids who like Dallas' daughter have been moved by learning about the Kindertransport. And, thinking about my own childhood spent writing various outraged letters to, variously, Margaret Thatcher, the Pope, CEOs of companies etc instantly ages self - both off my own back and when I learnt about / piggybacked on existing campaigns.

MorrisZapp Tue 26-Apr-16 12:27:22

'If your kids don't think children fleeing from IS deserve refuge'

No judgement or emotional blackmail then.

AuntieStella Tue 26-Apr-16 12:27:28

"This country can easily take 3000."

We are taking vulnerable children and families directly from the camps.

To take in a further 3000 we need far more foster families. And until there is a successful recruitment drive for them, and people are standing ready, it would be the wrong this to do. Outcomes for young people in institutional care are not good here. Both they, and all new arrivals, need a chance of good quality fostering.

Those who want to help can volunteer to become fosterer said, volunteer with or donate to refugee support services here, or donate to those charities active in the camps, whether the UN ones in the region, or the ones elsewhere in Europe. Or indeed the ones supporting refugees in other parts of the world, who are at risk of being overlooked completely but who still need succour and support.

CoolforKittyCats Tue 26-Apr-16 12:29:33

Obviously if you don't like to talk to your kids about this stuff, or if your kids don't think children fleeing from IS deserve refuge, then that's cool, don't do it.

How very PA mixed in with emotional blackmail.

What a way to put people's backs up.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 12:30:04

It's hardly blackmail MorisZapp

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 12:30:45

Good idea thankyou, I will talk to DD's about it tonight.

CoolforKittyCats Tue 26-Apr-16 12:30:46

It is emotional blackmail.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 12:31:55

Lol it's not blackmail or passive aggression. I'm sorry if it puts your back up. If this isn't your thing then it isn't your thing.

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 12:31:56

(Great post from wtftodo )

OhYouBadBadKitten Tue 26-Apr-16 12:33:16

love the paranoia of some posters who refuse to believe that there are a good number of us people on mn who would like to see the UK do our bit in helping the children refugees and instead constantly accuse people of sock puppeting.

Perhaps some of us who are posting about this are doing it because they have seen the conditions in the camp themselves through volunteering and are desperate to get small children out of the situation that they are in?

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 12:35:07

So children shouldn't be allowed to show their support for anything for fear of emotionally blackmailing the poor politicians hmm

OhYouBadBadKitten Tue 26-Apr-16 12:35:30

Perhaps also people posting about the situation are frustrated that everytime they try and raise the issue they get swamped by people being negative in strongly emotive terms and that sometimes they may show that frustration? Then everyone jumps on them for that.

OhYouBadBadKitten Tue 26-Apr-16 12:36:05

exactly hownot.

JonStark Tue 26-Apr-16 12:36:27

I speak to my four year old about stuff like this, but could she understand is well enough to hear all sides and make up her own mind? No.

I don't think any child younger than a teenager could form a proper educated opinion on it, taking into accoubt provisions for children already here. I certainly couldn't have done it as a teenager even.

These letters will most likely be dismissed as the ramblings of children.

NeedACleverNN Tue 26-Apr-16 12:37:58

Ok then Kitty

Tell me exactly how I can help these children (some who wouldn't even be a child but an adult masquerading as a child so they don't get deported)

I have two children. Both under 5.

I don't have a spare room so in not allowed to foster.

I'm not a strong woman, and I do have some health issues, so if a child turns nasty I have no way of protecting my own children.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 12:38:09

Strange - how do you know that?

What decent person can honestly say the don't think we should take in 3000 unaccompanied refugee children in. I'm flabbergasted by it. 10,000 children have gone missing in Europe and we can't even take in 5 per constituency.

JonStark Tue 26-Apr-16 12:38:47

Sorry, OYbBk, is that for me? Or did anyone elae mention sock puppeting? Did you misread my post? I think the children should be brought here. I am more than willing to do things to see that happen. Sending letters in from kids isn't going to help anyone.

Why would the government take advice from children?!

RebootYourEngine Tue 26-Apr-16 12:38:48

My heart goes out to these children as well as all the other people in fear for their lives but we dont have means to support more people.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 26-Apr-16 12:41:06

Apart from the letter, what are you doing about it?

Are you taking a child in? If not, why do you think someone else should?

EveryoneElsie Tue 26-Apr-16 12:41:08

Several people have compared these refugee children to the Kindertransport.

Isnt the 5 year civil war the real problem and what is Europe or NATO doing about it? Its having a huge impact on Europe.

www.rferl.org/content/nato-france-turkey-un-russia-war-crimes-syria-air-strikes-hospitals-schools/27554537.html
"Anti-Assad Syrian monitoring groups have said the Russian air campaign has been the major cause of civilian deaths in Syria since it began."

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 12:41:49

Reboot - yes we do. We also have the means to allow huge companies to negotiate their tax liabilities so 5 kids per constituency is perfectly manageable.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 12:42:09

Reboot - yes we do. We also have the means to allow huge companies to negotiate their tax liabilities so 5 kids per constituency is perfectly manageable.

Tate15 Tue 26-Apr-16 12:44:29

I wouldn't be surprised if these kind of threads have nothing to do with helping children but are dressed up to look so in order to push their own political agenda.

People know what's going on in the news, if they want to do something they will find out how to help.

Hand wringing titles in the vein of 'Won't someone think of the children', serve to push the op's agenda.

And for that reason, I'm out!

OrangesandLemonsNow Tue 26-Apr-16 12:46:29

Perhaps some of us who are posting about this are doing it because they have seen the conditions in the camp themselves through volunteering and are desperate to get small children out of the situation that they are in?

You know absolutely nothing about what those, including my family have and haven't done or seen.

People are allowed differing opinions without being told they aren't 'decent' if they are not thinking the same way you do.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 12:48:34

Tate 15 - what the hell does that mean? The Tory party voted against the Dubs amendments. Who else should we be petitioning if not the Tory MPs that voted against the amendments?! If it was the lib dem MPs or Labour we could petition against them but they voted for the amendments. This sort of thing goes above and beyond tribal politics.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 12:50:28

Sorry orange but I struggle to consider someone 'decent' when they refuse to assist desperate children. These kids went economic migrants but kids in grave danger alone in Europe.

Hoppinggreen Tue 26-Apr-16 12:51:33

Slightly baffled by the link between helping refugee children and making large companies pay tax but anyway.
What are we supposed to do with 300 ( probably traumatised and in need of specialist help)? Do we have lots of empty foster places or specialist units to help them? I very much doubt it.
Also, if we do take them in it encourages desperate parents to send their children off unaccompanied in the hope that they will be helped which is extremely risky.
Finally, even if I did think this was a good idea I would write to David Cameron, I would not get my children to do it.

OrangesandLemonsNow Tue 26-Apr-16 12:53:16

Sorry orange but I struggle to consider someone 'decent' when they refuse to assist desperate children.

Sorry I completely disagree. I am very much a 'decent' person.

No one is saying don't help. People are saying they don't agree with it being done this way.

By attacking the personalities of people that you don't know and don't know what they have done you imo weaken whatever point you may have.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 12:54:36

Do you honestly believe not taking in refugee children is going to stop people fleeing war torn countries?

And it's quite clear that if this country can afford to bail out banks, sell shares off at a loss, allow companies like Google to pay fuck all tax, that it's a country rich enough to take in 3000 kids. They might very well be damaged but given that our bombs are part of the reason for that, it's the least we can do.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 12:54:50

Do you honestly believe not taking in refugee children is going to stop people fleeing war torn countries?

And it's quite clear that if this country can afford to bail out banks, sell shares off at a loss, allow companies like Google to pay fuck all tax, that it's a country rich enough to take in 3000 kids. They might very well be damaged but given that our bombs are part of the reason for that, it's the least we can do.

EveryoneElsie Tue 26-Apr-16 12:56:02

kirinm et al;
2 children die at the hands of their parents every week in the UK. There are children dying from dirty drinking water in Africa. 10,000 every day. What are you doing about that, and is it OK for us to attack your character now?

Tate15 Tue 26-Apr-16 12:58:16

EveryoneElsie

Excellent post. Thank you.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 13:03:04

JonStark my kids are slightly older than yours, but since they started school they have regularly been asked to use empathy in their writing, so for example, at age 6 my son was asked to write a poem from the poiint of view of a teenage soldier being sent off to fight in the first World War. The class produced some very moving, powerful poems. Children have an incredible capacity for empathy IME, they are also quite self absorbed, so when they asked me why I'm sad this morning, and I said it's because our Government have refused to give refuge to 3000 children whose homes and in some cases families have been destroyed in the war in Syria, it was very natural for them to think 'I am a child, how would I feel if my home and family was destroyed in a war' and to feel very strongly and instinctively that the decision to not offer refuge is something they would wish to protest against. It's not sockpuppeting it's empathy.

StrangeLookingParasite Tue 26-Apr-16 13:05:08

Kirinm, see here for why I am sceptical about their being really children. There has been incident after incident of supposed 'children' being in their late 20's or 30's. There is a lot of preferential treatment for children, so posing as one has huge benefits.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 13:05:40

Attack me if you like. I simply cannot understand why anyone would object to assisting 3000 kids. I know lots of people have different opinions about the refugee crisis generally and I'm not referring to that.

The amendment was to assist 3000 children which given how many child refugees there are is not a great deal yet for reasons I cannot fathom, people still don't want to help. Just because there are desperate situations in other countries doesn't mean we can turn our backs on these children.

kirinm Tue 26-Apr-16 13:07:45

Strange - that link just brought up spam for me I'm afraid so I can't read it.

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 13:07:47

There is alot of on going work re safe drinking water and many other issues in Africa and other parts of the world. If you don't believe me Google it (although you'd have to be living under a rock not to already know this)
There is also a hell of a lot of work and resources put into safe guarding children and vulnerable people in this country. Again you must be aware of this.
The fact that neither of these problems have been solved and not all children can be saved is not an argument to restrict any aid we can provide to children caught up in an emerging humanitarian crisis.
I fail to see how that was an excellent post at all actually.

MilkTwoSugarsThanks Tue 26-Apr-16 13:11:42

Unfortunately though it won't be Google etc dealing with the effects of these 3000 children. It will be this countries poorest and most vulnerable that affected. Doesn't matter how rich the richest are.

StrangeLookingParasite Tue 26-Apr-16 13:12:09

How can it bring up 'spam'? Spam is unsolicited commercial email. What did you see? It's a link to a web article about 'refugees' in Sweden making fraudulent claims to be children.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 26-Apr-16 13:12:51

I'm
Not attackng anyone.
I think letters by young children do tend to have an overly emotional essence, so I feel very sceptical about this.
Also, I'm sceptical of people who appeal to others to help instead of doing it themselves.
OP didn't say how many she is taking in herself.
I'm not prepared to take any in, so I think it wood be hypocritical for me t call on for others to do it.

I can help with a money donation and I'm comfortable in asking other to do it too.

MuddhaOfSuburbia Tue 26-Apr-16 13:16:15

I'm in. Good idea.

we were talking about this this morning- dcs raised it- they were shock

3000 kids is a piss in the ocean

also. We have been smugly patting ourselves on the back for 70 odd years about the Kindertransport. That was a much bigger operation than this would be. We need to take a good hard look in the mirror if we think not taking in 3000 is justifiable.

As for looking after children here. YES! Look after them, too! Fund the social sector properly! There is plenty of money sloshing about in this country to fund ALL of this.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 13:17:10

I think it is an emotional issue.
In what way am I asking others to help instead of doing it myself?
But yes agree that people will find their own ways of supporting the refugees.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 13:18:27

Thanks to those who have posted positively. It would be great to make this happen. A moving action I think.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 26-Apr-16 13:22:00

In a way that you are not fostering any yourself.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 13:23:50

How do you know that Chardonnay?

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 26-Apr-16 13:27:49

I asked you twice and you didn't reply.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 26-Apr-16 13:28:20

So how many are you taking in?

MuddhaOfSuburbia Tue 26-Apr-16 13:28:50

this trope that gets wheeled out on these threads 'how many will YOU take in'

I looked it up a while ago

it's not as simple as 'I've got a spare room, I'll take in a couple of Syrians'- I found something where Cameron had thanked people for expressing a willingness to take in refugees, but it wouldn't be necessary as everything would be dealt with via official channels, leave it to us sort of thing

basically- practical help is difficult; the only thing you can really do is donate money

KatherineMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 26-Apr-16 13:32:27

We're just going to move this over to Campaigns.

GlitteryShoes Tue 26-Apr-16 13:33:40

I'm a foster Carer and have fostered unaccompanied asylum seeking children. It is not as simple as having a spare room or big heart. Language issues, trauma, the power of traffickers as well as navigating the immigration system make it really challenging. We need infrastructure changes first, and urgently need more foster carers or the children will just be exploited.

SirChenjin Tue 26-Apr-16 13:34:01

Any other children from the many other war torn countries we should ask our children to write to the politicians about - or are we just focusing on Syria? Are we planning to take children from every country in the future that has a war?

I won't be doing this.

GooseberryRoolz Tue 26-Apr-16 13:34:06

Obviously if you don't like to talk to your kids about this stuff, or if your kids don't think children fleeing from IS deserve refuge, then that's cool, don't do it

Wow hmm

It was you who essentially suggested using children as sock puppets in your OP

HildurOdegard Tue 26-Apr-16 13:34:42

I'm snurking at the thought of a 6 year old writing an empathetic letter in the style of a teen soldier in WWI. My 6 year old mostly writes about Stampy and Darth Vader. He doesn't half get his head filled with some crap at school though - comes home telling me DC personally bombs Syria.

I was at the library today, there were lots of "thank you" letters to authors from the kids. One read Dear So-and-so, Thank you for your book about the robbery so I can do it when I grown up. [Anonymous] Aged 9.

The "country" might be wealthy, believe me - us peasants on the ground aren't.

We can't rescue every child on the planet. What's OP doing for the orphans of Zimbabwe? The street children of Burma? Ecuador? Bolivia? Brazil et al?

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 13:35:45

Chardonnay, as Muddha says, it is not as simple as saying I'll take in a couple, however we have discussed it as a family and will register with whatever databse for housing refugees might emerge if the Government starts to accept more than the paltry and shameful number it is currently agreeing to take in. But tbf my post isn't saying call to action offer your home to refugees, it was an invitation to a letter writing action.

GooseberryRoolz Tue 26-Apr-16 13:36:45

Lol it's not blackmail or passive aggression. I'm sorry if it puts your back up. If this isn't your thing then it isn't your thing.

Yes it really is. Possibly the most PA thing I've read on MN this year.

Lol hmm

howtorebuild Tue 26-Apr-16 13:38:16

OP, did you dig bare handed for burried children in Earthquake rubble last week, if not can you please tell me why your heart didn't bleed for those children?

HildurOdegard Tue 26-Apr-16 13:40:35

fallingapart As others have suggested, phone your local council today and ask 1) how many children in your borough/county need a foster placement and 2) can they send you a registration pack.

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 13:47:55

Howto what's your point? Only those that did dig in earthquake rubble last week are allowed to care about or try to help any other children?
What an odd idea.

howtorebuild Tue 26-Apr-16 13:50:06

Ok well maybe people who don't push children into writing care too, so what's your point other than ask in the op to write and follow up with an example letter type query.

OhYouBadBadKitten Tue 26-Apr-16 13:51:36

Tate - again with the paranoia. Some of us are actually capable of caring about the kids, not the politics you know.

wtftodo Tue 26-Apr-16 13:54:23

Aaah the old "you can't possibly be justified in worrying about THIS if you haven't also solved EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD" 'argument'.
I think it's a nice idea. Anything that facilitates children getting engaged in world issues, great. If your kids aren't interested in this, fine. If you don't want to involve them, or don't agree with the impetus behind it, or the proposals, or solutions, fine. I don't think the OP should be attacked for having an idea that not everyone agrees with. I don't think anyone who does agree should be attacked for not personally solving the problem of world poverty or for having different politics from the posters who hate this idea.

howtorebuild Tue 26-Apr-16 13:55:04

I don't understand why you have to be so forceful with the bleeding heart thing, it's a massive manipulation in my view and put off.

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 13:55:06

Nobody's suggested pushing children into it. I don't understand the rest of your post. Or why anyone would be that strongly against other people's children writing such letter's if they like.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 26-Apr-16 13:55:23

So it's do as I say, not as I do?

Empty words and virtue posturing, I'm afraid.
If you are happy to invite someone, then by definition you offer them a place to stay.

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 13:56:20

Yet again wtftodo put it much better than me!

OrangesandLemonsNow Tue 26-Apr-16 13:56:38

I don't think the OP should be attacked for having an idea that not everyone agrees with

I don't think people that people's character should be attacked that don't agree with OP either.

AnnaForbes Tue 26-Apr-16 13:57:26

How many really are children? Ali Bahmani posed as a child refugee and raped a girl on a hospital ward.

It's widely acknowledged that adults pose as children in order to exploit the system.

MuddhaOfSuburbia Tue 26-Apr-16 13:58:26

these threads always get derailed with the whatabouters

it's dead easy

are you/your kids interested in kids fleeing war zones and would you like to do a little cute thing that might engender a bit of positive publicity? yes/no

if yes, do the thing
if no, don't do the thing

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 14:06:23

What are you on about Chardonnay
For one thing OP has already said she would be prepared to do so.
For another, not everyone is going to be in a position to be able to offer a home to a refugee child. That doesn't mean they can't help in other ways or are prohibited from petitioning for more aid for them.

MuddhaOfSuburbia Tue 26-Apr-16 14:06:48

OP is this a facebook campaign, or affiliated to a group or whatnot, is there a name for it, or have you just thought of it/put it on mn?

want to share but don't want to link to mn if it's not necessary

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe Tue 26-Apr-16 14:11:53

She said she might put her name on a gov database when or if the gov start one.
She can apply immediately to be a foster parent, then either take in refugee children or take the pressure off the system.
If she wanted to.
And then her/her DCs letter would carry more weight.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 14:14:02

Thanks muddha hownot wtftodo and ohyou for supportive comments.

I worded some posts badly and came across as passive aggresive. I am upset and I'm angry - not with posters (or their children) who don't want to join this action but with the Tory Ministers who blocked the amendment in the vote last night.

If people want to ask their kids if they want to join the action then that will be brilliant.

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 14:14:36

It's not a pre requisite for writing it.

fallingapartfast Tue 26-Apr-16 14:18:17

Muddha there's no group - it's going round fb a bit but prob best way is to copy and paste or to rewrite in your own words? It would be really great to get 3000 letters through his letterbox.

OneWingWonder Tue 26-Apr-16 14:18:47

fallingapart

Each of those 3000 could easily cost £100,000 in specialist services to support every year. That's £300 million pounds a year - would you like to volunteer to have your services cut and your taxes rise to pay for it?

hownottofuckup Tue 26-Apr-16 14:25:28

To help protect a displaced and traumatised generation? Absolutely. In fact it could turn out to be quite cost effective in the long run. These children will be my children's peers, there's no merit in playing blind to the prospect of future conflicts.
Why let history repeat itself.

OneWingWonder Tue 26-Apr-16 14:25:58

Here is a tragic case of virtue-signalling gone fatally wrong: this January, a young woman was murdered in Sweden by an adult refugee pretending to be a 15 year old.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/12153428/Child-migrant-who-killed-asylum-centre-worker-is-an-adult-Swedish-migration-rules.html

"The asylum seeker who stabbed 22-year-old Alexandra Mezher to death at an accommodation centre in Sweden last month is an adult, not a 15-year-old as he had claimed, Sweden’s migration agency has ruled.
Ms Mezher was stabbed at the centre for refugee children aged between 14 and 17 who are without any adult guardians in Molndal near Gothenburg on Sweden's west coast."

"It will add to growing suspicions that a large portion of the 35,000 unaccompanied refugee minors who claimed asylum in the country last year have lied about their age, claiming to be under-18 in order to take advantage of more generous asylum rules."

Thanks but no thanks.

GooseberryRoolz Tue 26-Apr-16 14:26:27

I'll write on my own account.

The suggestion that children should be persuaded to write is problematic to me. Not to mention twee.

GooseberryRoolz Tue 26-Apr-16 14:26:30

I'll write on my own account.

The suggestion that children should be persuaded to write is problematic to me. Not to mention twee.

redhat Tue 26-Apr-16 14:28:11

I'm reluctant to join the bun fight however one of the very real reasons for not taking is these children is the fact that it will encourage the traffickers to bring in more and more unaccompanied children who are vulnerable and unable to take care of themselves and so can easily disappear. If we have learnt anything from the fiasco of the past year or so it should be that opening the doors does not solve the problem, it simply creates a bigger problem.

We have a stated position, to take in a certain number of genuine refugees who follow the rules. We should stick with that policy.

OneWingWonder Tue 26-Apr-16 14:28:50

hownotto

"To help protect a displaced and traumatised generation? Absolutely."

Fantastic - please post your cheque for £100,000 to HMRC, and remember to start saving for next year too.

GooseberryRoolz Tue 26-Apr-16 14:28:49

And wrist x-rays (before departure) could deal with the (admittedly endemic) problem of young adults posing as children.

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