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Advice needed for white parents of black African child

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peskykids · 03/11/2004 19:40

Ok - I need your honest opinions (and from reading past posts I imagine that's just what I'll get!) Don't pull your punches and let me have it straight.

We're hoping to adopt a black African child, who we have been fostering since birth for 16 months. We've managed, finally, to get ourselves an adoption assessment, due to start some time over the next month.

Since he arrived we have been doing everything we can to 'gen up on' the history and culture of the places his parents came from but I just feel that it's still not enough. I feel like the assessment may set out to catch us out.

Anyone got any ideas, or advice, for me? Is anyone reading this black who has been raised in a white family? Or raising a child transracially? (ugly term, I know) What was your experience? What are the real pitfalls?

I have done lots of research, and read lots of stuff, so I'm aware of the issues but I just feel I can't possibly get enough advice or opinion on this...

So come on - get posting!

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Twigless · 03/11/2004 19:43

no experience but want to wish you the best of luck with adopting your son

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MarsLady · 03/11/2004 21:24

Wishing you well with the adoption. Friends adopted 2 black girls and asked me what else they could do to show they would be good candidates. Apart from the obvious which you are clearly doing make sure you are fully knowledgable about hair and skin care and typical foods. I know it sounds daft but I'm always amazed at what questions are asked.

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KatieMac · 03/11/2004 21:34

Lots of luck - a child is esentially a child - if you were adopting a spanish child would you go to this extreme?
(Sorry DH gets so cross about this if you are both brunettes and the child is a red head - would it matter)
You have our total support and adopting is such a marvellous thing to do - lots of respect

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hercules · 03/11/2004 21:37

It does often matter to the child though and you are quite right in making sure they will be in touch with their origins. Dont forget October was black history month and there will be loads of stuff on the net etc about this.

My sister has just adopted a two year old and has also to be very careful about his origins and original background despite them all being white and born here.

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Twiglett · 03/11/2004 21:41

black history month online

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pixiefish · 03/11/2004 22:14

when i was a child we lived in a small village in the back of beyond. There were two black boys who were adopted by a white couple and to us all that was different was the fact that their parents had chosen them- the skin colour wasn't an issue. Hope it all goes well for you

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hercules · 03/11/2004 22:16

I do disagree. I think it is really important that a child is aware and in touch with their origins. I am all for inter race adoptions though as long as the child is made aware of their origins so helping the child deal with any issues they may well have. Just as you are doing peskykids.

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ernest · 04/11/2004 13:48

my bf recently adopted a white muslim child & had to really go through the hoops taking him to mosques, synagogues (dunno why?) everything. They had to really demonstrate their willingness to keep him exposed to his parent's adopted religion. But they didn't feel they were out to trip them up or trap them, but the sw's were very hot on this. sounds like you're being thorough & I wish you all the best. my bf's little boy is gorgeous and I hope it goes as well for you as for her

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Fennel · 04/11/2004 14:02

My cousins are black (one afro-carribean, one asian) and were adopted into a white family in a little white English village. they didn't find it totally easy, but are still both close to each other and to their adoptive parents. the main problem was the white village, which my cousin (afro-carribean origin) found quite racist. My cousin was quite tall, active and good at sports, often getting into trouble at school and sometimes with police and he feels they stereotyped him as troublesome from the start.

My uncle, his father, wanted to move to a multi-racial city but my aunt refused. I think they feel in retrospect that having a multiracial community around would have been really helpful. My cousin as an adult went to the Dominican republic, where his mother was from, to "find his roots". he's recently married a Cuban woman, also afro-carribean origin.

My other cousin, the Asian origin one, didn't really get over being adopted, and being rejected by his birth mother, had drug problems as an adult, but I know less about him. the first cousin is a good advert really for multi-racial adoption.

hope some of that makes sense.

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Blu · 04/11/2004 15:42

I believe quite strongly that in a society where ignorance and racism still exists you can't just say 'skin colour isn't an issue' etc - it may well be a serious issue for the child when they first experience it, and especially if they do not have black role models and support system. Peskykids, I have no doubt that you would (and hopefully will) be wonderful parents to these children but I think that it would be important for you to have friends or a network through playgroups etc where the children could have close relationships / role models with other black people - or that you can show that you are sensitive to this and have thought how you could provide it.
Good Luck!

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Issymum · 04/11/2004 16:28

Hi Peskykids

We've adopted two children transracially (it is an ugly term isn't it). We are white and our eldest daughter (now 3.5) is from Vietnam and our younger one (now 2) from Cambodia. At the last count we'd had 25 visits from various social workers and our case wasn't particularly complex! But we've now completed all the formalities and have Final Adoption Orders for both children.

Let me have a think about what we were asked, how we responded, what we thought the social workers and the Court Officials were looking for and I'll get back to you. Alternatively, free feel to email me directly at the top of the page (go the 'Contact another talker' button at the top of the page).

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peskykids · 08/11/2004 20:02

My goodness me, thank you all so much for your support and thoughts. I am very sensitive to the other point of view, that black children need black families, and although I have thought about it long and hard I still welcome any thoughts that play devil's advocate too! But I think, in our instance, there's a balance that starts to tip the longer the child has been with a white family. And for us to give up on this child says to him that we felt his race mattered so much we wouldn't keep him.

I think that anyone adopting, or fostering, transracially, has a duty (and hopefully a wish!) to ensure that a child understands their roots. But I also feel that all children should be exposed to lots of different cultures, as we do with our birth child anyway. There's also a whole load of assumptions that people seem to make by mixing up race / culture / ethnicity, which are driving me a bit crackers. A black family with a different heritage to the child's will have the same responsibility to promote his roots, albeit they have a head start on the being black in a white society issue - I grant you!

I think the point someone made about race mattering to the child, and particularly to an adolescent, if not to the adopter, is particularly pertinent. To me, a lot of the issues we will have to grapple with are things that we have never experienced eg: this scenario - as a young black man you are standing in a queue at a cashpoint. You happen to wearing, like may other people, a hoodie, but you can see that people are making judgements about you from the way you look. One of my black male friends said that I couldn't possibly understand what it's like for him. I think he means he faces those kind of issues on a daily basis and that white folk really can't get their head round the magnitude of it. I kind of know what this is like having been a dodgy scary goth when younger, but that was my choice to be intimidating. In the scenario above, the boy is simply existing, not aiming to intimidate!

There's a great Toni Morrison quote along the lines "When you know someone's race, what do you actually know about them? Nothing at all." DISCUSS!

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MarsLady · 08/11/2004 20:04

honey, as a black woman I am glad to know that you care enough about this child to want to adopt him. that outweighs everything in my opinion. For those that worry, just make sure that you have good role models in place for your son. That's what I do with mine and they aren't adopted. Wishing you luck.

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peskykids · 08/11/2004 20:08

Actually, just to clarify, I don't disapprove of white people adopting children from other races (just in case it read like that after issymum's kind post). I just think that it's not a simple 'love conquers everything' scenario - as I'm guessing issymum would agree. You have to be prepared for the potential pitfalls, the extra lengths you will need to go to to ensure the child has a healthy self image etc.

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peskykids · 08/11/2004 20:09

Mars lady, thank you so much. I really worry that some black people (and I'm sure white people) will think we are denying him his heritage in some way and it means a lot to me when people don't think that way!

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gothicmama · 08/11/2004 20:16

A very good book is AHMED, S., CHEETHAM, J. and SMALL, J. (eds) (1997) Social Work with Black Children and their Families. Free Association Books London adn is about teh importance of culture and roots and how to help overcome problems it has really made me think and I would recomend it. All the best

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peskykids · 08/11/2004 20:33

Fantastic - thanks for the recomendation - will be checking it out of the Uni library tomorrow - ta xxx

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Issymum · 10/11/2004 09:53

Hi PK

Thanks for emailing me. I was going to write back to you off-line, but I've decided that this is such a difficult subject we probably need as much input as we can get from all of MNet. Not only is this a difficult subject, but it is sensitive and my take on it is controversial, so please, Mnetters, share your views with us, but keep calm!

I've been thinking around these questions from the point of view of my children, who are Vietnamese and Cambodian. So all of my thoughts are from a SE Asian perspective. I won't even attempt to translate them into a black perspective as I know nothing about black culture or history.

I think that you need to look at the issues on two levels. This is going to sound very cynical, but first you need to work out what you think, then you need to identify what your social workers want you to think. If you are lucky, they will be the same, but there is no guarantee of that. If they don't mesh, then I suggest that you swallow your doubts, toe the line and tell them what they want to hear. Social workers, like any professional (or ethnic!) group, are not entirely homogeneous. We have dealt with five of them through the course of two adoptions and they were all very different. We were fortunate in that they were all intelligent, thoughtful and well-disposed to inter-country adoption and our last social worker was happy to discuss some of these cultural issues in a very useful and developed way. But I'm aware that some social workers don't meet these standards, cannot think beyond a simple 'party line' and couldn't embrace let alone have an original thought.

Here are the generally accepted social work tenets on inter-racial adoption:

"You have to bring up your children to be proud of their culture/heritage": I really struggle with this. Not the sentiment, but the detail. What is my children's culture/heritage? Tamsin is racially Cambodian but left Cambodia at 12 months old. So is her 'racial heritage' Cambodia as it was in 2002 when she was born, Cambodia as it will be when she is old enough to understand it, the culture of first generation or second generation Cambodian immigrants in the UK (which is radically different from those in Cambodia), a Disneyfied version of Cambodia embracing festivals, cooking (not a big part of a culture where there has historically never been enough to eat!), Angkor Wat and national dancing or the historical Cambodia that has shaped today's generation of Pol Pot, war, corruption and one of the highest rates of infant mortality in the world? Or a combination of all of these? Will it help her sense of identity if we, her white English parents, attempt some third rate Cambodian cooking? Possibly. Should we be introducing her to the Khmer community in the UK, with whom she has nothing in common other than her race? Maybe.

Even more difficult for me intellectually is the concept that your cultural inclinations, your aspirations, your identity is necessarily defined by your race. A sort of 'black woman don't like Beethoven', 'Pakistanis don't go hill-walking' and 'all Indians love Bollywood'. Isn't that, I hesitate to say this, racist? Why should my children be defined by a culture that their third generation peers are probably eschewing? My children haven't 'lost their culture' they have just replaced it with a very rich and varied one (Shakespeare, Wren, McDonalds and Madonna) that isn't generally associated with their racial type.

Our answer to all of this is a bit of a cop-out. We do try to have lots of age-appropriate SE Asian stuff around - books that include or even 'star' SE Asian children, Asian Barbie, Mulan etc. But our key way to get Issy and Tamsin to understand their racial culture will be to take them back to Vietnam and Cambodia. Early and often. We will also encourage and help them develop any interest that they show in their birth countries and the culture of their birth countries. So a trip when they are 7 might prompt some Vietnamse cooking, if that's what they want to do. A holiday in Cambodia when they are 11, might prompt Tamsin to learn some Khmer for next time. All of this is aimed at getting them to understand that there is somewhere where their parents are a minority and they are not, to understand why they might have been made available for adoption and to feel comfortable about their birth countries (those two might be mutually incompatible). This is of course much easier for us than for you as I'm not sure where you would take your child. Where are his roots - geographically or culturally? Black Africa, the Caribbean, first/second/third generation Black immigrant culture? And if you choose the last of these, do Black immigrants really share a common culture or does it contain the same multiplicity of attitudes, inclinations, music, writing and cuisine that is inherent in white culture? Trevor MacDonald or Puff Daddy? Discuss!

"Peer-groups are important": Yes. I whole-heartedly agree with this one. Phew! You need to and you need to be able to show your social workers how you will create a peer group for your child of other (preferably black) inter-racially adopted children. If you go on to some of the bulletin boards (try Yahoo Groups "International-Adopt-Talk" - although beware, it's very extreme) you can read what is important to inter-racially adopted adults and that includes friendships with others who were internationally adopted. They quite rightly say that nobody else understands what it is really like to 'not belong entirely, anywhere'.

"You must find mentors/role models for your children": Again, this seems sensible and you need to marshall all the black friends and colleagues and their children you can to provide role models and mentors for your child and you need to show the social workers that you have done so and will continue to maintain and work at that network.

"Resources are important and you can never read or learn enough": Yes again. As well as books (give a reading list to your social worker!), there are internet support groups and groups like the Overseas Adoption Helpline and Oasis that arrange talks on inter-country and so often inter-racial adoption. Try the Yahoo Groups 'adoption parenting' as a starting point. You may also find adoptive-parents there who will be able to give you more support, information and advice on how to deal with your social workers.

"Life books are a good tool": This again seems right to me. Explain how you will create a life book for your child. This is a dynamic project that you will start off doing for your child and then do with your child. A life book starts from pre-birth and has pictures, notes, documents and other materials that illustrate where your child comes from and where he fits into his world. We have done one for Issy that starts with the very beginning of our adoption process and we continue to add photos as important events occur or people come into or go out of her life.

"Your child will encounter racism and adoption issues": I'm not sure that this is always true. It depends. It depends on where the child lives, the groups within which it moves, its ethnicity and its own personality. But it's probably right to take it as a given, prepare for it and if it doesn't happen, great. It's certainly appropriate to adopt this line with your social workers - it's a kind of development on 'love is not enough'. Dealing with those issues will be difficult and this is where your peer groups, role models, resources and all the work you have done to make your child feel comfortable about where he comes from, comes in.

"Inter-racial adoption is not ideal":One point that it may be worth getting across to the social workers is that you acknowledge that inter-racial adoption is never the ideal solution. If appropriate, it's best that the child stays with its family, if that is not an available option it's best that the child is adopted within its race and inter-racial adoption is the third best option. But for some individual children, given all their circumstances, it remains the best option. Here is where you need to get your social workers to balance the race issue against all the other issues - that it is in the best interests of the child that his future is secured as quickly as possible through adoption and the risk of emotional damage, attachment difficulties and even adoption disruption if that adoption takes place outside your family. One of our social workers (a Court appointed Guardian-ad-litem) wrote in a report about Tamsin that she had been with us a year, she was completely attached to us and it would be 'absolutely devastating' for her to be taken away from us (there was never any threat that she would be!). Quite. And I'm confident that his view would have been the same if there was a Cambodian family in the UK who wanted to adopt her at that point. It may well be worth reading up on 'attachment disorder' or 'reactive attachment disorder' or anything you can lay your hands on about the emotional risks to a child of a change of carers and environment at this age. You need to get the social workers to start balancing the risks of race issues (all of which you are well-equipped to deal with) against the potential and unknown emotional damage (that can be very tough to overcome).

If (big 'if') you have the money, it might be worth trying to find an independent social worker who has dealt with the social workers in your LEA and who can help you 'explore the issues' i.e. coach you about what your LEA social workers will be looking for. It might also be worth contacting the British Association of Adoption and Fostering, a nationally recognised standards body, to find out what best practice is in domestic inter-racial adoptions. Their advice and assistance could be very powerful. They even have a very academic quarterly magazine you can subscribe to.

I hope all of this helps. If I can think of anything else I'll add it. Sorry this is so long, but it touches a lot of points I've been thinking about recently. Don't hesitate to contact me off-line if you want to.

Do I get the prize for the longest ever posting on Mumsnet?

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Issymum · 10/11/2004 09:55

Ohmigod! Having posted this, I've just seen how enormously long it is. Sorry!

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peskykids · 10/11/2004 12:10

Issymum,
Words can barely express how enormously moved I am that you chose to share your thoughts in this way. Obviously you have thought about the issues relating to your own circumstances anyway, but to put so much thought, effort, and time in sharing them with me, and us, has made tears stream down my face (in a good way!)

Everything you have said is incredibly useful. I will form a more measured response to your post when I've stopped blubbing and started thinking!

It's very inadequate, but "thank you".
pesky kids xxx

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Issymum · 10/11/2004 13:01

It was actually very cathartic to formalise some of the ideas that have been swirling around my head for the last several months. Reading back through my post, I've realised that some of the grammar is a bit wonky and that when I referred to 'LEA' I really meant 'LA' or Local Authority.

Anybody else out there have any thoughts, different perspectives? You can't really all agree with what I've said?! Peskykids is going to need all the help she can get on this one.

Peskykids, I've just checked out the BAAF Website . It really is worth visiting the site and perhaps buying a couple of their relevant publications. I'm fairly sure that BAAF is at the forefront of adoption "best practice".

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Issymum · 10/11/2004 13:05

Sorry I pressed 'post' when I meant to press 'preview'. If you go to the BAAF website, following the links through Fostering & Adoption/Legislation, Policy & Practice/Adoption/Placing Black & Minority Ethnic Children.

BAAF have their own publication about 'best practice' in this area. If you can get hold of that, then depending on their policies, you will either have a fantastic source of ammunition or will know what you're up against.

Of course your social workers don't have to take any notice of BAAF, but it would be strange if they didn't.

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KatieMac · 10/11/2004 13:35

Issymum - you have put in to words somethings I could never get my head arround.

As the mum of a mixed race (need a better term) child - I value her 'other culture' but am unsure how much to go into it. eg I 'know' far more about Jamaican history than DH - who denys he is decended from slaves.....

and how relevant is DD's african history......does just her West Indian heritage 'count' I'm going to print of your thoughts and look at them more closely

Thanks for giving me something to think about

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Blu · 10/11/2004 14:02

Wow Issymum - good for you. I have been thinking about some of all this, partly as a result of Peskykids q (and others in RL I know are in similiar situations), and partly because some of it is relevant to me as the white parent of a mixed race child.

I completely agree with you about the 'heritage' issue.

I think the 'here and now' context is the one to think about, and principally isolation, the issue covered by peers and role models. What children of colour (if you like) have to cope with is everything from lazy assumptions, lack of representation, mis-representation, right through to out and out racism. While (I hope) a white parent can do loads to equip a child to navigate their way through that, it isn't the same as the shared experience. The support a white parent can give may well be as strong and valid as the help of a black parent, but it's not 'the same', Still - I don't think this would be a reason to block inter-racial adoption - to be flippant, my DS is a boy and has a disability, neither of which are in my direct experience...biological parents don't produce clones of themselves, so why should adoptive ones? And we can all make the effort to make sure that our children do have access to individuals and communities who do share their experience.

Mostly, mostly, I think one of the worst things that could happen is that a happy settled 16 month old should be wrenched from a secure and loving home with people (peskykids) who are aware of and sympathetic to these factors.

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bran · 10/11/2004 14:55

That was a great post Issymum, it was really useful to me, in fact I will be showing it to dh too.

Peskykids, something that hasn't been mentioned so far, but which as come up in our adoption assessment is that while being adopted isn't something that should be secret, it is private and it should be up to the child who they want to tell about it. But when the child is very obviously not the child of either of the adoptive parents then they don't have this choice. So I think you should be able to show the SWs how you will be able to help him deal with this. Since you're already fostering him I'm sure you have plenty of experience of the weird and thoughtless things the people can say, we haven't even adopted yet and we've already had some bizarre ones.

Do you have any sense of how your LA is feeling about your application? I know, for instance, that our LA would strongly oppose it unless they had tried and failed to find suitable adoptive parents. Best of luck whatever happens.

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