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Applejack87 Wed 09-Oct-19 17:11:15

Hi , I can’t locate my original thread but I’m a menopausal mess , the lack of sleep is getting me down , I went to my GP she recommended vit D that was it
I don’t sleep a wink at night generally waking up between 2-3am then that’s it for the night
I wore my fit bit to bed one night it estimated that I’m getting 40 mins deep sleep on average a night I’m exhausted
I’ve tried magnesium supplements , camomile tea, lavender milky drink before bed . Has anyone going through this what helps I’m desperate to sleep

MIdgebabe Wed 09-Oct-19 17:22:55

Things to try
Are there other times of day when you could sleep?
How early can you get to bed?
Can you get up at 3for an hour and then go back to bed?
Would black out Help?
Are you anxious..,would a notebook and pen by the bed help?

rosie39forever Wed 09-Oct-19 20:02:55

This was me last year my insomnia was so bad I was hallucinating, couldn't drive or hold a conversation, I truly thought I had dementia. Luckily I have a really good gp who specialises in women's health and she put me on HRT straight away. Within a week of putting on my first patch I was sleeping so much better. Now 10 months after starting HRT I'm getting 7 hours solid sleep a night most nights and haven't felt this well in years.
Please don't put up with this, lack of sleep has a massively detrimental effect on your health, go to your GP with a print out of the nice guidelines on menopause and ask to try HRT.

With the best will in the world no amount of milky drinks and supplements will replace your reducing oestrogen.

lljkk Wed 09-Oct-19 20:43:54

I can't follow. If you wake up 2-3am, then you must have been asleep before. If you got 40 minutes deep then you got "a wink".

How does fitbit benchmark your %s? I guess average for ~50yo woman is about 13% deep, so 40 minutes deep might mean 307 minutes total (on average), or > 5 hours.

I get that you want more, but it's not "didn't sleep a wink" territory.

lljkk Wed 09-Oct-19 21:50:43

Fitbit is saying 8-16% is benchmark for deep sleep for woman my age (early 50s). 8% of 9 hours would still be 43 minutes, about what OP reported.

I wonder if the exhaustion might be more general than specifically to do with sleep depriv.

JinglingHellsBells Thu 10-Oct-19 08:42:15

Hi I think I've answered some of your other posts here but can't remember what...
are you on HRT?

Many women find that's the answer to insomnia.

Applejack87 Fri 11-Oct-19 11:06:41

JinglingHellsBells we have discussed this but I couldn't find the original post... I'm not on HRT at the moment but this week has been awful I've been going to bed at 10pm waking at a few hours later with an awful headache , I have to take two Nurofen & that shifts it until the following night I've had these night headaches before but they stopped . I'm not sure if its hormones or stress related , I've booked an appt to see my Dr on Monday

StressedOuta Fri 11-Oct-19 11:19:23

I'm the same op.Went to bed around 12 and up at 3 every morning.
Things that helped
Vit D

No eating after 7pm

Also making sure room is the right temperature. I invested in egyptian cotton bedding, silk pillowcases and a silk duvet - Jasmine silk are reasonably priced.

I also found raising my feet in bed using a firm pillow helped.

I think it's trial and error as to what helps, everyone's different. I also find an afternoon nap helps a lot.

Applejack87 Fri 11-Oct-19 15:24:20

Hi StressedOuta. I have tried Magnesium nothing seems to help me sleep & now the headache is starting to get me down how many Nurofen can I take , I feel so burnt out

Applejack87 Mon 14-Oct-19 12:56:04

I visited the Dr today about how I'm feeling and the headaches my blood pressure is soaring she has prescribed blood pressure tablets 2.5mg to start ,I thought that they would have monitored it first but it was very high I'm relieved that I went & am getting treatment but also quite emotional that I am now on meds she said that the headaches could be my blood pressure , I don't smoke, drink occasionally & pretty much eat well it could be genetic. she then suggested anti depressants or sleeping pills for my disturbed sleep . Omg why do DR's always prescribe these first , I asked for a referral to the Menopause Clinic she said they wouldn't consider it until the GP had tried other paths she said anyway they would shove HRT at me .. There is very little support , the Dr I seen isn't my regular one so I've booked another appointment,

swingofthings Mon 14-Oct-19 19:28:34

OP, I've been where you are, it's absolutely horrendous. I tried absolutely everything in the book, I'm not even stressed any longer, my life is really good, but sleep still elusive, and I know it is directly related to the menopause as my sleep is worse when my other symptoms are, even if I'm on holiday and/or as stress free as I've ever been.

The only, and I really mean only, thing that helps me is amitriptyline. It is an old antidepressant, but not taken as such. It just happen that in addition to helping depressed people, it has also been shown to help with sleep. Unlike sleeping pills, it doesn't help falling asleep but help remaining so for 8h. The recommended dose is much lower than what would be prescribed for depression.

I don't rely on it solely, mainly because its benefits reduces the longer I take it but also because I suffer from some side effects, mainly an upset stomach and uncontrollable hunger. I now take it when I've been through 2 or 3 poor night and desperately need a decent one. The good thing about it is that it is non addictive, and it can be taken as and when needed. Doctors are happy to prescribe (unlike addictive sleeping pills).

Of course it might not work, and some people report horrible dreams taking it. I have found that I dream more, but good dreams. Just like hrt has done miracles sorting some people's sleep, it did nothing for me, and actually made it worse. Anything is worth trying though as poor sleep over time has such a massive effect on life.

By the way, I only get about 40mns deep sleep too, but as long as I get over 1h every 2 or 3 days, I can just about manage. Friday night I had my record, 1h33 mns and the way I felt on Saturday was incredible. It's hard to believe that it's how I use to feel every day, but here we go. My mum was the same and she said that her ability to sleep well came back after the menopause, so there's hope it is not to be like this for the rest of our lives!

Oly4 Mon 14-Oct-19 19:40:45

HRT could easily solve this

roisinagusniamh Mon 14-Oct-19 20:09:29

Please explore HRT. My GP prescribed the same when I first went to her as yours (sleeping pills and ADs)
I asked to see a more experienced, older doc (who has a reputation for expertise in older women's issues) and she put me on worked almost instantly.
Good luck.

Trewser Mon 14-Oct-19 20:12:34

I think high blood pressure is contraindicated for HRT?

Shame, as I actually look forward to going to bed now as i know i will get a decent nights sleep.

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