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Chalkpink Fri 30-Apr-10 22:59:37

Hi,
DH came home this evening and dropped the bombshell that he has been asked to move to from the UK to Zurich. It would be a promotion and I think he cant refuse it as to do so will be career limiting. He needs to make a relatively quick decision.
I am a SAHM with 4 DCs (aged 7,5,2 and 3 months). I am feeling very tearful this evening.

We have not lived abroad before, although DH lived in Zurich for a period a few years ago and commuted on a weekly basis. I stayed here with the children. He wont even contemplate commuting this time.

Please can someone provide me with reassurance that Zurich will be great for me and the kids and tell me a little of what it's like to live in Zurich.

Thankyou
Chalk

LIZS Sat 01-May-10 07:24:31

There is a very large expat community there but the Swiss can be very reserved and have a certain way of doing things. Ignorance is no excuse. Try this group and this group for more specific advice and support. Would your elder kids go into local schools or is International School(£££) included in the package(plus healthcare, help finding some where to live etc) . It is almost 5 years since we left and still miss it in some ways.

kreecherlivesupstairs Sat 01-May-10 09:02:02

We live in the next canton over. Zurich is a very vibrant place in some ways, but rather old fashioned in others. Like LIZS said, Swiss people can be reserved and they do definitely have a different way of doing things.
Your children will learn to ski and do a lot of outdoors things. Personal responsibility is encouraged and children take themselves off to school alone at age 4shock. If they go to local school, be prepared for the bizarre hours. You should practice shopping only M-S and not after 6. You should also get used to shops being closed over lunchtime and some on Monday mornings.
Do get a decent relocaton package. Ask for an agent to help you with housing and schools, try to get health insurance included as it is chuffing expensive.
Will keep checking and post anything else I think of.

Chalkpink Sat 01-May-10 20:04:13

Hi,
Thanks for your help so far. I have had 24 hours to think about it and am a wee bit calmer today (or is it just denial).

My main worry is that I'm just about coping with the kids now(new baby = hard work), what on earth will it be like in a different country. Do toddler groups etc exist in Switzerland? They are my life line here as Monday-Friday me and the kids tend to be on our own due to DHs addiction to work.

Yes, international schooling is included in the package - although I hear places are like hens teeth and they want DH to start in September so we haven't got long to find one.

The company he works for moves a lot of employees globally so is used to relocating them and I think there will be a lot of help but I feel a bit overwhelmed at the moment.

Our current state school is very oversubscribed. Should we come back I'm really worried we wouldn't get back in. (I know this is a long way away but I cant help worrying about it now).

Keep the advice coming. Any hints, tips regarding schools, living and bringing up children in Switzerland would be more than welcome!! Thank you

kreecherlivesupstairs Sun 02-May-10 07:19:47

I don't know about mother and toddler groups, our dd was already six when we moved here. I imagine, if yourss is anything like ours, you'll be surrounded by other mums at the school and should find it relatively easy to make friends.
Have a look at the englishforum.ch, I found it really useful before we moved here.

LIZS Sun 02-May-10 10:14:56

yes there are mums and tots - some locally run, some set up by Expats. The posters on the sites I linked to will know of the current ones operating. Daycare/playgroups do exist but private ones are £££. Expats tend to use daycare from a younger age than in UK even if not working. Be aware that this is less regulated than in UK.

The equivalent of HV's are the Muetterberatung, each Gemeinde(ie.town) has a clinic which runs once or twice a week, but primarily healthcare, including routine checks and vaccinations, is dealt with by a Paediatrician (hence why you need to negotiate for the cost to be included). Again once you know where you are going to live other expats can give you a steer as to a good English speaking one.

This is a good source of info too. Quality of life there can be great but comes at a cost.

LIZS Sun 02-May-10 10:19:17

oh and September is a way off. We knew in March to move in May ! My permit didn't come through until April and I was already pg with edd mid August so dh went for May 1st and ds and I followed end of May. New school year starts around 3rd week of August so you may want to try and get organised for then, although people come and go all the time.

Waedigirl Sun 02-May-10 18:54:55

Hi Chalkpink

Zürich is wonderful.... We moved here 3.5 years ago (before DC) and no way am I moving anywhere else. It's a more old fashioned way of life here in many ways, but kids can be kids, play out, do loads of healthy stuff etc.

Lots of things to do with little ones, summer is all about the badis (swimming places / beaches at the lake) and parks, winter mountains, sledging etc.

google Strandbad Mythenquai, Zürichhorn, Bäckeranlage (park) Park im Gruene, Knies Kinderzoo for a flavour of the types of things.

There are English playgroups (mostly in the city) and quite a few English / American expats who are all pretty friendly, meetups at Starbucks etc.

Private childcare is v expensive but I think it's very good quality of care - my dd is at a bilingual nursery as I work, and it's wonderful. Nursery is called Kinderkrippe.

When you have an idea of where you might live, use the site www.map-search.ch to see where it is in relation to things and transport links etc.

Very very hard to find an apartment and typically moving dates are just four times a year for most people with the usual contracts - so make sure you have a relocation agent to take you round, even better is is they give you a flat for a month or so, then you can go to viewings once you arrive. Much easier then you can apply straight away.

www.homegate.ch is one of the better known sites for accommodation.

Down side, shops and services as others have said, lots of random paperwork (in German) get DH colleagues here to help. Also many Swiss reserved / lots of rules etc. but Zürich reasonably cosmopolitan.

On the plus side, the working culture here is much more 9-5 than the UK and people rarely have long commutes or traffic problems, so you may be pleasantly surprised at a more present dh ;)

What else can I tell about? Switzerland is a bit of a love it or hate it kind of place, after a year here, you'll know....

It suits me cos I'm organised, like things to run smoothly, am fairly outdoorsy and am not bothered about living somewhere remotely edgy....

sophistikat Sun 02-May-10 20:35:47

Echoing other posters. We have been here several years nows and think Zurich is a wonderful city. It is somewhat old fashioned. Expect a lot of your mail to be addressed to your husband...The shops are all closed on a Sunday (except bahnhoff and airport), this takes some getting used to but once you are used to it you find you dont miss the Sunday openings so much.

It is a very family orientated culture/city so as others have said expect to see more of your DH.

It is very difficult to get an apartment, so really push for all the help you can get. A lot of apartments (especially older apartments) have a shared washing machine in the basement so if your own washing machine is important to you then make sure your apartment has one: dont assume it will have one if it does not specifically say so in the advert.

Public transport is fantastic, everything runs on time and connections are seemless.

The shopping is fabulous

kreecherlivesupstairs Mon 03-May-10 08:39:44

Great advice from sophistikat. We have a shared washing machine (with 8 other flats) which is a real PITA as I can't wash every week so we have a pile of laundry every 10 days or so. We can't use the machine on Sundays either, our hauswart locks the door.

Bonsoir Mon 03-May-10 09:41:00

If you are a SAHM with four small DCs you will definitely need full-time domestic help. When you move abroad to a place you do not know and where you do not speak the language, everything you do will take you four times longer than it did at home. Plus you will have no support system to fall back on. In your position, I would look for an English speaking mothers' help/cleaner (so that you can leave your DCs with her, and converse with her easily yourself) who has been living and working locally for many years and knows things inside out. An experienced Filipina or Sri Lankan lady would be the right sort of person in Paris but I don't know the Zurich market at all. Maybe someone who does can advise?

LIZS Mon 03-May-10 10:34:09

Bonsoir , CH isn't part of EU and is very strict about "imported" help and work permits etc. You may find a localised Eastern European (although immigration is very stricly controlled) but there is plenty of redtape before you can employ them. fwiw I knew lots of largish families there who happily survived with minimal help - using a babysitter, cleaner and/or daycare/school where necessary. Also property is expensive and larger apartments/houses with garden not easy to come by , so not much scope for live-ins unless you can bear the additional costs.

Bonsoir Mon 03-May-10 10:49:04

I see so many expats "fail" through lack of material/physical support here in Paris - the people who are lonely/isolated/find it really difficult to adapt are usually the ones who don't bite the bullet and buy in the extra support they need to compensate for their incompetence in a new environment/lack of family/friends. But completely agree that you have to work out what is available and usual locally.

kreecherlivesupstairs Mon 03-May-10 11:17:37

Bonsoir, I think you are being incredibly rude. Your assumption about the OP are staggering. I don't know anyone, really, who has full time domestic help, I do know a couple of people who have a cleaner for a couple of hours a week, but full time. I've managed to cope despite arriving from Thailand where I did have a full time home help. It is a question of trial and error, the OP will be fine.

LIZS Mon 03-May-10 11:34:22

It is true it isn't a lifestyle for everyone and those who feel under pressure to go along as a trailing spouse, perhaps having previously had their own careers etc, can find the adjustment a challenge. Some never do find their niche, but that is down to a multitude of reasons - language, culture, support, mental attitude and so on. Support comes in various guises and the expat community itself is a really good source. Zurich has an expat population of over 20%, tending to be concentrated in certain areas, so there is plenty of advice and friendship available.

Bonsoir Mon 03-May-10 12:01:16

Why are my assumptions about the OP "staggering"? She says "My main worry is that I'm just about coping with the kids now(new baby = hard work), what on earth will it be like in a different country." I am trying to help her address that, and in particular to make her not feel bad or hopeless for needing help and support at a difficult time.

Bonsoir Mon 03-May-10 12:03:43

kreecher - I think you have one child, right? Four children and one child are quite, quite different to manage, you know!

MmeLindt Mon 03-May-10 12:05:11

Many of my friends and neighbours here in Switzerland have domestic help, few of them have full time help.

Chalkpink
I live in Geneva and while I cannot tell you anythign about Zurich, I can say that moving to Switzerland was the best thing that we have ever done.

Life here is very good, we have a good expat package so are able to survive without me having to work - which would be difficult since I don't speak French and child care here is so expensive.

Bonsoir Mon 03-May-10 12:10:43

You don't have to have full-time help forever - you just need more flexibility initially, especially if you have pre-schoolers who need to go to the park/have naps/eat regular meals when you are spending hours on errands that would barely register on your radar back home.

kreecherlivesupstairs Mon 03-May-10 12:54:19

Bonsoir, yes I have one child and I can appreciate how much more work more would be, but, I am assuming that the OP's husband works for a multinational or bank. She should get a decent relocation package and help with registering etc. A cleaner would be the icing on the cake but, like Liz pointed out they are costly and the aggrivation involved (insurance and pension) amy not be worth it.

myrubicon Mon 03-May-10 14:11:37

ChalkPink - I can't add too much to the first few comments except you could also try this site, which is specifically for English speaking families moving to or already living in Switzerland. There are some very knowledgeable posters/members.

If the relocation package is similar to mine, you will probably have a relocation agent assigned to you(?). If so, spend some time between now and then making a list of all the things you'll want to know to help you hit the ground running - even the tiny daily details that make life tick along- and ask the agent or look at the online forums for answers.

Also, you'll need insurance for pretty much everything! As others have said, do check these our (especially medical), although yous DH's employer may well include that as part of the package.

Learn a few key words in German. Zurich has it's own dialect of Swiss-German, which you can easily adapt from basic high german later on.

Re being wonderful... well, if you like clean streets, public services & transport that really does work perfectly, weekend ski trips, clean air, an established ex-pat community, children with a sense of communal and personal responsibility, then perhaps you'll like it here.

It's not Eutopia though. Comparing Swiss life to English life is (for me at least) a series of trade-offs. The most important advice, I think, is: Make a real effort to meet other ex-pats. Doing a school run will be a big help.

The Swiss are generally very welcoming, but will seldom consider you a real friend, even after several years.

Waedigirl Mon 03-May-10 19:33:24

Chalkpink, I can introduce you to some English mums groups. It's really easy to meet people when you have kids in common here, I definitely know more people than I did in London. And pretty likeminded as well in terms of age, stuff people like to do etc.

Expats are always willing to make friends and invite you to places, as you never know how long people will be saying you can never have too many friends iyswim

Waedigirl Mon 03-May-10 19:34:07

how long people will be "staying...."

Chalkpink Mon 03-May-10 20:57:15

Thank you everyone for your help.

DH is flying over to Zurich tomorrow and is meeting with HR there to discuss ex pat package etc and perhaps go to see a school so it feels like things are moving really fast. It was suggested he go and look at some available accomodation but he doesn't have time - can anyone tell me where the highest concentration of ex pat families live? Where are the international schools situated? We dont need to live in the 'cool' or lively part of Zurich and given the size of our family I doubt we are going to find something centrally that will fit us all in so we are happy to live out towards the suburbs.

Thanks for the links LIZS and myrubicon, I will have a good read.

Waedigirl your offer to introduce me to some English mums groups sounds fantastic.

Have added 'own washing machine' to list of requirements. Can't imagine sharing one with the amount of washing 4 DCs generate shock.

My head is in a bit of a whirl, thanks for helping me focus my thoughts so far!

kreecherlivesupstairs Tue 04-May-10 07:45:36

Housing is a disaster. I don't know if you are looking at houses or flats, if it is the latter, I'd definitely ask for a flat with a lift that comes from the car park or a ground floor flat. We are on the first floor, but I have to climb 66 steps to get to the entry to our flat then another 24 to our flat. I know, I do it several times a day.

ErnestTheBavarian Tue 04-May-10 08:26:25

Morning Chalkpink, only just seen this.

I was in Switzerland for 8 years or so - 4 in Basel and 4 in Zurich. I also have got 4 children.

We lived outside the city, 20 mins on the local train network, in a little village on the Rhine. It was absolutely stunning.

I think you need to think carefully about what sort of life you want to achieve in terms of appartment in the city, proximity to expats, larger house out of the city, whether or not you want the kids to go to local school or IS ( I personally am huge advocate of local schools), I think it would help to have a hint at least of how long the minimum stay would involve. Bearing in mind in CH kids start school aged around 7, so even your oldest would only just be at the start so a great age for learning the language.

I loved living in Switzerland. I found the lifestyle and the possibilities (access to the countryside, access to europe, skiing etc) to be amazing. My kids had freedom that many many kids in UK could only dream of. It was, especially for them, totally idyllic.

I disagree strongly that you would need help, let alone full time. TBH I find that odd. It is true that your attitude to the move would have a big impact on how smoothly and successfully it goes, but there are plenty of sources of support without paying for full time help That is a big personal thing anyway. I couldn't even stand a cleaner coming in for 3 hours a week, never mind someone in my home full time. Shudder.

I am now living in Bavaria (in case you didn't guess) so not too far away. Sill, nothing beats Switzerland. I really loved it there. And my boys really really were very happy there too.

Feel free to CAT me or ask away and good luck.

ps def. make sure you have your own washing machine. Blimey. I had a friend whose rostered day was once a fortnight! shock sods law her ds would puke all over his sheets the day after wash day. Even if all went well, she had uge piles of laundry then had to spend the entire day doing relay runs to the washer and drier, the entire day once a fortnight not able to leave the house or do anything other than laundry. Madness. I told my dh no appartment, own washing machine. And we got it no problem, and you know we managed it no problem. Had an amazing house in Basel. sigh.

LIZS Tue 04-May-10 08:53:55

Some leases include communal washing machines (ours was free access between 7am and 10pm , except lunchtime time(most ask minimal noise for 2 hours or so,ie. no vaccuming!)and not on Sundays or bank holidays. However we were able to negotiate to have our own installed in our boiler room so coudl use both ! tbh I liked the security of apartment living and there are some large apartments with own outside space and communal play areas, so different concept to those in UK.

We lived on the Zimmerberg area which is close to ZIS (spread over 4 campuses between Adliswil, Kilchberg and Waedenswil - with another school north of the City) and not far from ISZL at Baar(20-25 mins) both of which operate a bus service so you wouldn't necessarily have to shuttle your elder kids around each day. On the other side, "Gold Coast", of the lake is ICSZ at Zumikon with another further north in Winterthur. There are an increasing number of bilingual private shcoosl too, for all ages. You need to check if the relocation funding is restricted to certain schools, from what age and what it covers in terms of buses. lunches and extras. Also if this is phased out the longer you are there or has a maximum limit.

Waedigirl Tue 04-May-10 12:17:14

Private and International schools in Zürich

http://www.willkommen.zh.ch/internet/vd/awa/willkommen/en/ausbildung/internationale_schule n.html.

I live near Horgen and the Zimmerberg looks pretty good. Also DD goes to this bilingual Krippe www.parksideschool.ch they take children up to school entrance, which as someone else said is 7. I think there are minimum kindergarten requirements from age 3 - eg 3 days a week. Assume school fees would also cover this?

Waedigirl Tue 04-May-10 12:24:50

And definitely do not compromise on the washing machine!!!!!! We shared for a month in the corp. flat when we moved over and it was a nightmare..... Btw. the law says you're not allowed to wash on a Sunday (!) or between I think 10am and 7am - but if your neighbours can't hear you, then I guess is OK.

Waedigirl Tue 04-May-10 12:25:32

10pm and 7am. Should prob read before posting!

pescatore Sun 09-May-10 18:31:03

Chalkpink, I recommend to get hold of a copy of the book "Living and Working in Switzerland" by David Hampshire. This is not an easy cover to cover read (and the author has some pretty way out views on the Swiss), but it is full of lots of details on small, irritating things which are hard to find on internet expat sites.

I am likely to be moving to Switzerland next year. Some things i can recommend from negotiating my own "expat" package are to make sure the package includes a relocation visit to Zurich for you and hubby and also a relocation consultant who will discuss where you might want to live and organise inspections for you. All the posters who say it's hard to get a flat are not kidding - might help to bear in mind that 1 April and 1 October are big lease start dates in Zurich so there seem to be more flats around then. I would also see if your relocation consultant or package can cover recommending schools and an inspection as part of your site visit

Chalkpink Sun 09-May-10 21:04:38

Hi Pescatore.
DH has that book - I haven't had a chance to look at it but I will do.
DH and I are aiming to go out to Zurich at the company's expense the week after next, as soon as DD3s passport comes through. He has already been to look at the schools last week but wants me to go and look with him before we apply for places.
We will also be looking at accomodation, although having looked on the internet I know we wont get anything near what we have here in the UK. Still not sure about where we will want to look though - I'm guessing once we have chosen schools then where we live will follow?
Luckily he has already been assigned a relocation consultant and the package, from what I can see, looks excellent.
I am finding the speed at which things are happening quite scary.
Will go and have a look at that book now. Thanks

fireupthequattro Fri 14-May-10 20:35:10

Hi I am moving to the Zurich side of Switzerland in August shock - I got my job offer today.

I am going over in two weeks to look at schools too. I just wondered if anyone could tell me briefly the % tax for the Zurich Canton, as the company I will be working for have only quoted me Solothurn and I am having a nightmare finding it on the website?

Also, what's the minimum salary people would consider comfortable - realistic ideas welcomed. Husband may not be working at first, and have one DS age 5.

I am keeping an open mind about state v's bilingual v's International, however as this isn't a long term move I am worried about a big life changing drop into a German speaking school and a vast change in levels when we need to move on.

For our particular needs I am thinking International will be the way to go.

So much to think about, my head is spinning.

I'm excited about this as have seen friend in Zug completely change her life for the better and love it there very much.

If you want to keep in touch - perhaps do this hand in hand Chalkpink do let me know!

Hitandrunthreadkiller Mon 17-May-10 22:10:08

Killed it!

Chalkpink Mon 17-May-10 23:09:09

Hi Fire
Sorry, only just seen your post. We were due to fly to Zurich this afternoon but the flight was cancelled. So we are re-booked to go tomorrow evening. Have come home and will have to drag the two youngest kids back up to the airport tomorrow.

DHs contract is for 3 years so we are going the interenational schools route. We are planning to visit three international schools this week so we can choose one and apply for places asap. The area in which we will try to look to live in will depend on which school we go for.

No idea about minimum salaries, luckily DHs relocation package includes an uplift to his existing salary to cover the differential in Zurich living costs compared to where we currenty live. Not sure how ususal this arrangement is???

Have been sent this link today
www.thestork.ch/ which looks like it might be a useful link for parents in Switzerland.

I will come back to this thread once we return from Switzerland at the weekend.

Waedigirl Thu 20-May-10 14:53:05

22%

Plus mandatory AHV and other taxes which make up, say another 10% of income if you are a higher earner (over CHF120K per year)

Tax at source doesn't necessarily take all of this, and you will get a tax bill separately to make up the reminder annually, so be sure to save extra towards that - lots of people get a very nasty shock.....

One Tax return per married couple. CHF6K allowance per child.

Def ask for salary uplift, life here is expensive and you don't get many offers, say in supermarkets, clothes, restaurants etc. But the upside is quality prpoducts across the board.

I know people where one is earning, they live comfortably off, say CHF6,000 after tax per month. Assume CHF2,500 for rent (3 bed apartment, decent area not central, not too fancy) CHF700 mandatory health insurance for the family in total, CHF50 for bills, CHF150 per week for supermarket food.

Bit subjective I know, but I'd have a punt at those figures....

newtouk Thu 20-May-10 16:00:30

Hi Ladies, I lived In Zurich until May last year with my two children (2.5 and 4). I made wonderful friends with many expats and had a wonderful time with many International Families. I would suggest moving to the " Gold Coast" Zumikon, Kusnacht, Meilen. The schools I would recommend is ISC in Zumikon. They follow the IB Program and EY Program and have a three year old and four year old Kindergarten.

Switzerland is a VERY expensive country to live in, make sure you get a VERY good expat deal. Schooling is £20K per child from 5 years and everything especially food, meat, fruit is quite pricey.

Be careful where you move as when you move into any accommodation even temp. you will need to register at the local council office.Taxes in different areas vary hence many expats move to Zug (a canton near Zurich) that has lower taxes than Zurich. Also there is also a Religion Tax and you will pay tax to a church if you tick that box.

My cousin lives in Zug and her young children go to Zug International School.

I lived in Zollikerberg about 8 kms out of Zurich on the top of the "Gold Coast". Many ex-pats live in large, modern apartments and I suggest you ask your relocation agent to find a place where other expats live or you may have a lonely time as the Swiss are not that interested in meeting expats. Our 3 bedroom apartment was CHF4200 Food was about CHF 250 for a family of four with not much meat or chicken.

See if you can also get German lessons as part of your relocation. My friend has a lady who comes to her house while the kids run around.

Most apartments have communal play areas for the children and its a great way of meeting your neighbours.

Summer is wonderful in Zurich, many surburbs around the lake have wonderful "Badi" which is like a private beach on the lake but is either free or costs a couple of Franks.

Shopping is a pain in the ass but you can always shop online at leshop.ch or I used to get delivery's from Britshop.ch. Clothes are more expensive than London but seem to be better quality.

With young children its easy to love Zurich but your experience will depend on where you live, I know plenty of people in Zurich and meet wonderful friends through the Mums and Toddler group in Zollikon.

Good Luck,

PM me if you want need any details.

Chalkpink Sat 22-May-10 23:05:43

Hi,
Just flew back to the UK from Zurich today - the weather in the UK has been (unusually) far better than Switzerland.
Really liked the feel of Zurich. Wandered round the old town, up and down Bahnhofstrasse and took a boat trip on the lake.
We have spent a couple of days visiting schools, ICS on the gold coast and ISZL at Zug and ZIS in Kilchberg and Wadeswil. Looks like there are big waiting lists, particulary for my 2nd daughters age.
Does anyone know anything about the international schools. I like the one at Zug but it seemed a long commute from Zug to the my husbands office in central Zurich. I would prefer to live closer to Zurich but then the school would be a longer commute for the kids and I would spend half the day in the car taxiing them too and fro.
I was less keen on ICS (cant put my finger on it) and liked ZIS.

We looked at a few apartments in Thawil, although because of the school issue we aren't in a position to apply for a place until we are sure there are school places for the kids. Does anyone have any insider knowledge of the best (for ex pats) areas in which to look for apartments?

I am interested to see your estimations of living costs including food, we are a family of 6 so its going to be a big stretch for us perhaps, espically since we would prefer a 4 bedroom apartment.
And where do people buy their clothes, everything seems to be designer and very, very expensive!

kreecherlivesupstairs Sun 23-May-10 13:50:10

Clothes from C+A, H+M, Migros or best of all the borse. There is a brilliant one for children in Wadenswil. We kitted out my dd with three pairs of trousers, four tops and a pair of nasty flip flops for about 40 CHF.
If I had the choice of schools I'd say go for ZIS.

Waedigirl Sun 23-May-10 19:17:49

Ah, it's hot hot here now, just been for a day out Zug way and have the usual Brit dodgy sunburn......

Lots and lots of expats in Thalwil (Brit and American) but flats expensive (as you probably saw) and not many modern ones. Most people I know who move out this way want to live there, then end up somewhere else because of cost and scarcity of decent places. Oberrieden is smaller but has really good connections to the centre, it's on two train lines- and walking distance to Thalwil. Horgen also a bit cheaper I think and nice enough, we're in Wädenswil (hence the name) and I love it, but it is a bit longer into the centre and only four trains an hour, compared to 6 from Horgen and 8 or 10 from Thalwil.

Clothes buying is a nightmare, and TBH I do the rounds of Next whenever back in the UK to miminise what I need to get over here. Agree H&M, a bit of Migros, also Coop kids section at Silhcity or sales at DPAM next to the Widder hotel in town. Charles Vogele down by the side of Jelmoli in town also not bad for hirls clothes.

I miss M & S. Swiss women are not the same shape as me.........

Waedigirl Sun 23-May-10 19:19:16

PS I don't know ZIS, but all the kidsI see in the village here, assuming plenty of them go there, are very polite, wholesome looking and don't look at all menacing

giddybiddy Tue 01-Jun-10 17:21:01

Hi, I have three children at ISZL and we're fairly happy with it....all schools have pros and cons, but it has a nice atmosphere and the children love it! I wanted all mine at the same campus so it works for us. Quite a few people live in Zug and have spouses who commute into Zurich to work. There are also a number who live in Thawil and send their children to ISZL, I think that the school bus schedule runs there. If you are planning to use the school buses, which are great, then it may be useful checking out the school website to see where they go...
I too miss M&S and do lots of online shopping or stock up when I come home! Life here can be challenging and I will refrain from making generalisations about the Swiss, tempting though it may be... However, there is a large expat community which helps and it is a great place for the children!

kodokan Fri 04-Jun-10 21:36:28

Waedigirl, did you know M&S deliver here for £7.50? Well worth paying the delivery compared to clothes here, and that way I don't have to do loathsome shopping.

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