British students working in France over summer

[Eliza1957]

Hi everyone, we recently moved to the Jura (close to Lons le Saunier) with my husband for at least a few months a year (the rest still in Britain). Our son who is 20 and a student in the UK wants to come and work 1-2 months here. Social security (or someone! get lost with all the different agencies here) tell me he needs a social security number in France -but not how to get it....Does he really? Shouldn't his NI number be enough given that he is not a French resident but British?
Thanks for any thoughts on that

[Isthisafreename]

Of course he needs a French number. If he is working in a country, he needs to comply with tax etc requirements in that country. France does not have access to UK NI details in the same way the UK does not have access to French details.

[Frenchfancy]

Anyone working in France needs a numéro de secu. You need to go through CPAM

[Nlds]

You should also be considering applying for a carte De sejour.

Comply with the laws where you are staying.

[Eliza1957]

As a Brit we don't need a carte de sejour any more. And he is not living in France, just wanting a short summer job. But thanks for all your helpful comments!

[Eliza1957]

Anybody living in the Jura by the way? Could be great to meet!

[Nlds]

As a Brit living in France, you'd be very well advised to have a carte de sejour.

I work in France, some of my colleagues live there too. Every single one of them has now applied for a carte de sejour, all the same departement. The ones who've kept their records up to date, such as filing empty tax returns every year, having a Carte Vitale with S1, keeping their rental agreements, their utility bills, they've been given permanent CdS and permanent residency status protected as much as possible post-Brexit. Those who've poorly kept records but had evidence of their residence were given initial CdS and are a bit cross (but their fault for not doing it over 5 years ago and not keeping records). Those who've kept no records have been turned away and told to start providing proof their live in France. So only those with the permanent residence established are feeling optimistic post Brexit.

Why would you not have a CdS if you live in France? Why would you not want to protect your rights to live in the EU? It's pure common sense.

[Eliza1957]

Hi, absolutely, I would of course for the reasons you give - but we are not French residents as we only spend less than 6 months here, on and off (we remain residents in the UK). If this changes, will apply for a carte de sejour - and as have Polish citizenship, will be able to even if the dreaded Brexit happens....

[Nlds]

You are allowed to apply for a cds so why don't you?

[Eliza1957]

My understanding is that only residents can apply for a cds - and we want to remain residents in the UK.

[Nlds]

You can b resident in 2 countries, I am and so are all my colleagues who live in France, also resident in UK.

[BogstandardBelle]

Hi op

To obtain a sécu number your son will need to apply to his local CPAM. You can find the address on the ameli.fr website. I’ve attached the Cerfa form that he’d need to complete.

There are a number of catches though. If he doesn’t have regular paid employment (and a contract or payslip to prove it) and he doesn’t fall into one of the other “supported” categories listed on the form, he needs to prove that he’s been resident in France for at least 3 months to apply. You can provide this for him (if he’s staying with you) but tbh only being here for a couple of months is a problem - it can take up to 6-12 months to process the application!

To find the form and info do a search on :
Demande d'ouverture des droits
à l'assurance maladie

There’s a good FB group called Parents In France - that would be a good place to ask about the ins and outs of UK students working in France during the holidays.

Bon chance!

[Eliza1957]

Thanks to both. I can't get my head around it - what is the advantage of being a resident in both the UK and France if for tax purposes we want to remain resident in the UK - my husband is in his 80s, retired; and long history of heart problems so we think he may not be able to get health insurance in France unless prohibitively expensive. I may want to work here, but in 6 months or so - and anyway I would be able to claim French taxes in Britain, wouldn't I? Maybe we should talk to a lawyer....

[Gfplux]

Eliza 1957,
Have you applied for settled status in the UK.
If not you should investigate this ASAP.

[Eliza1957]

Hi, I AM British, so don't need settled status....

[Gfplux]

Elisa1957,
Sorry I got the wrong impression.
Were you asking which country is better to be tax resident.
If you are resident in Britain after Brexit you will have to look at the Schengen Visa if you want to stay in France for up to 90 days.
I know your original question was about your son (British citizen?) whatever the situation this summer it will all change after Brexit.
These are a few links explaining the Schengen visa for BRITS who will become third country nationals after Brexit.
ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/visa-policy/schengen_visa_en
Calculate your stays if you have a Schengen Visa.
This handy tool will help you.
schengen-calculator.com
Or this one adambard.github.io/schengencalc/
and this for background
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Schengen_Area
All the EU visas
www.etiaseurope.eu/schengen-visa/

[AuldAlliance]

The advantage of getting residents' status in France is that, if there is no deal Brexit, you'd have some right to remain in France for 6mths of each year. Otherwise, all bets are off. The word reciprocity has been used a lot and Oct 31st is looming.

[clearsommespace]

I did what your son did when a student in the 90s. (I had no family in France.) My employer did the paperwork and I was attributed a French sécurité sociale number.
I think this is still the same.

On ameli.fr it says "SI VOUS N'AVEZ PAS DE NUMÉRO DE SÉCURITÉ SOCIALE, COMMENT L'OBTENIR ?
L’attribution de votre numéro de sécurité sociale ne dépend pas de votre nationalité. Pour l'obtenir, il suffit d'être né en France, d'avoir un travail en France ou simplement d'y habiter de façon stable et régulière"

As your DS isn't French born or resident, it seems to me that the job must come first.