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Should DS do LPC to secure a TC?

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YouBigChump Mon 14-Oct-19 13:41:08

DS has graduated with a 2:1 (RG uni if that counts) in Law.
He's got quite a lot of bits of work experience but never managed to secure a vac scheme.

His plan is to try and get a paralegal/ legal admin role for a couple of years, carry on applying for vac schemes and hopefully a TC.
But, despite so many applications he can't find a job. So many want previous experience and/or LPC.

We are in the position that we could fund his LPC as an interest free loan but I'm not sure it's a good idea. If we thought it would 100% lead to a TC but it seems risky.

Any advice to a clueless parent would be welcome.

EssentialHummus Tue 15-Oct-19 10:07:24

I'm an ex-lawyer who now works with lawyers, paralegals etc looking for jobs. If I was advising your son I'd suggest a) get cracking on the TC apps, b) widen the scope of what you're willing to apply for, c) get some work experience - obviously paid legal work experience is great but so are volunteer roles and so are non-legal roles that show writing, client communication and organisational skills.

BubblesBuddy Tue 15-Oct-19 09:50:47

23,000 young people are accepted on to Law undergrad courses at university each year. Obviously they do not all want to be solicitors. However non Law grads will want to be solicitors. There are around 6500 training contracts on offer each year. This gives you an idea about how competitive it is. Plus people who were not successful in previous years will be applying.

Yes, recruitment is more skewed to RG but a great CV is needed. What people have done 20 or so years ago just isn’t the same as now with university expansion in the intervening years. My solicitor friends had done nothing! Just a degree!

I think he needs to want it more. There are so many with firsts now as well. That’s grown from 20 years ago too. He has to think how he can stand out.

AlphaBravoCharlieDelta Mon 14-Oct-19 22:25:44

Former IP partner in international law firm here, post-DC I went in-house in a multinational. Your DS has either been badly advised or a bit slack and is making excuses.

FWIW his CV sounds better than mine when I was at his level but TC’s are insanely competitive now. He will be competing with all the people who have been unsuccessful in previous years plus a big (too big imo) tranche of law/GDL graduates every single year. I wouldn’t go into debt for the LPC without a TC. I have also seen good paralegals get “typecast” at that entry level so it’s not always a good route either.

Feel free to PM if I can help.

BubblesBuddy Mon 14-Oct-19 22:13:52

My DD is fluent in French and Italian. Had way more work experience and had volunteered. She also did loads at university. His CV isn’t obviously great!

You didn’t say he had a LLM when you posted. He really should know the time of day. It’s a hugely competitive area, despite what others are saying. Not everyone gets that coveted training contract and I think he hasn’t put himself out there.

On DDs GDL year, she volunteered - a lot. Applied for and got scholarships for BPTC, applied for 10 pupillages and attended interviews, and crammed Law in a year as a non law degree holder. Doing the LLM might be full in but it’s not this full on. Where did he do the LLM and what careers advice has he accessed?

Namechangeforthiscancershit Mon 14-Oct-19 20:11:07

Surely a good proportion of his classmates graduated with TC offers in place?

No there is nothing mandatory about getting work experience.

I'd be really worried about this stuff he's been told. Was this by the careers service at his university. I'm sure you don't want to make a fuss but he has been given some really bad (and bizarre) advice

MrsMaiselsMuff Mon 14-Oct-19 19:14:51

There must be (many) people from his course who graduated with training contracts secured, surely?

Training contracts are competitive, it's not unusual to graduate without securing one, though that is the aim. You start applying in the summer before your third year of your undergraduate degree, any law student knows that.

Sorry, I don't think he's being honest.

YouBigChump Mon 14-Oct-19 18:58:23

@MrsMaiselsMuff they're all applying for paralegal jobs and vac schemes.
It sounds like he's got it badly wrong.

MrsMaiselsMuff Mon 14-Oct-19 18:53:09

Are you sure he's being completely honest with you? It's difficult to believe that someone who has done his degree and Masters has no idea of the application process. What are his friends from uni doing now?

HugoSpritz Mon 14-Oct-19 18:51:55

He should read this www.law.ac.uk/postgraduate/sqe/

HugoSpritz Mon 14-Oct-19 18:48:01

Is he getting confused with the new SQE requirements, rather than LPC?

HugoSpritz Mon 14-Oct-19 18:46:23

An A*AA student with a 2.1 from an RG should absolutely be applying for training contracts and only settling for paralegal stuff if he fails to secure one or if needed to fill time prior to his LPC.

Still mystified as to who would advise him not to!.

YouBigChump Mon 14-Oct-19 18:45:09

Thank you, I'm listening.
So apply for training contracts without paralegal or indeed any paid legal work experience?
The two years isn't mandatory?

Abouttime1978 Mon 14-Oct-19 18:42:04

Apply for training contracts NOW!

The big firms will fund the LPC, and given the number of LPC graduates who don't get a training contract I would think carefully about doing the LPC self funded.

ohsobroody Mon 14-Oct-19 18:40:26

Yea that's definitely not true! I work in commercial property but in-house for the government atm. I think I would suggest at least a year of work exp before even considering paying for the lpc at this stage, there's really no rush and he'll be a far stronger candidate

Robs20 Mon 14-Oct-19 18:20:17

I would suggest applying for TCs asap. The firm I work at take on lots of paralegals so suggest that along with attending as many student open days at law firms as possible.

Namechangeforthiscancershit Mon 14-Oct-19 17:56:40

That's definitely not true! Lots of places won't offer any vacation schemes anyway.

Applying alongside a demanding course is quite normal. Unless you're really lucky, TC applications are like another part time job. It is time consuming for sure but he needs to balance things.

YouBigChump Mon 14-Oct-19 17:46:41

@HugoSpritz A* A A
Just had the conversation and he's getting cross that I'm interfering, he's under the impression that he can't apply for training contracts and vac schemes at the same place at the same time.

Brianna83 Mon 14-Oct-19 17:45:47

IP in London (can I ask why Bristol, seems a random choice along side the capital?) is going to be extremely competitive and his CV is simply not going to cut it there.

He should apply to any and every legal job he can find within travelling distance of wherever he lives now with a view to bolstering his cv (I would hire someone with any legal experience over someone with none) and deciding what he actually wants to do. He does not have to accept anything he is offered!

He thinks he likes IP based (I presume) on a small elective during a theoretical based degree, back when I was there I wanted to work in family law and where I am now could not be any further afield!

He needs to be exposed to as many areas of law as he can be to see what he enjoys (and is suited to) in practice. Tell him to look at high street/multidisciplinary firms to start with. It will also let him figure out if law is really what he wants to do, too many grads come to me expecting it to be like Suits or Boston Legal and get a very rude awakening!

Once he has some experience he can decide if the LPC is for him and his cv will be much better placed to take him somewhere he wants to go.

HugoSpritz Mon 14-Oct-19 17:42:50

Who on earth told him not to apply for TCs? He should start applying now as it usually around now that places open up.

What A level grades does he have? They will play a big part in what calibre of firm he applies for.

I still can't get past the fact someone told him not to apply for TCs!

Namechangeforthiscancershit Mon 14-Oct-19 17:33:14

He's been badly advised then. He needs to start next year's TC applications as soon as they open. Lots and lots of people get a TC without a vac scheme/paid work experience. That's nice to have but it's by no means compulsory. When he starts applying for TC he needs to do a LOT of applications.

I wouldn't spend this money speculatively when he hasn't started the process yet. If he is aiming at big firms, he will have 2 years to wait before he starts and he would have LPC funding, so you could find that you've spent a lot unnecessarily

YouBigChump Mon 14-Oct-19 17:25:49

@mlr1uk thanks, I'd love to message you
@Brianna83 IP is his ideal choice

YouBigChump Mon 14-Oct-19 17:24:19

Thanks all.
IMO his CV seems quite ok; fluent in French (masters in EU law), president of his uni's law society, several weeks WE.
He hasn't applied for TC's yet, he was told that he had to get paid work experience and that's the tricky bit. His masters was very full on and he really didn't have time to apply for this years summer schemes (big mistake)
We don't live in a big city but he's very keen to live in London or Bristol.
He's tried local solicitors and Citizens Advice but there are no vacancies at present.

Velveteenfruitbowl Mon 14-Oct-19 17:09:24

He’d be better off doing an LLM if he wants a TC. If he’s not fussed about going into law there are a lot of other grad jobs out there which accept law degrees.

Brianna83 Mon 14-Oct-19 17:08:40

I'm a partner in a law firm in Manchester. We take on heaps of law grads (with and without experience) and many do lpc whilst working in a paralegal role and then go straight into tc once they've proven themselves. What kind of area of law is he trying to get in to and where in the country?

Namechangeforthiscancershit Mon 14-Oct-19 17:06:13

Generally, no. How many TC applications has he done?

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