Taking a child abroad help!!

[maz1969]

Hello looking for some advice please we want to take our 6 yr old grandson to disneyland paris in august but my sons ex says no we see our grandson through a court order that was made nearly 2 yrs ago everything has gone well & we even have him a extra day now the thing is we have just booked for disney & felt gutted leaving him out through her stubborness she said hes not going abroad till hes 16? My question is as my son is on his birth certificate does this give him parental rights? Can he just apply for his sons passport & take him or will he get arrested? We are applying to the court tomorrow to see if the judge will let him come thanks

[maz1969]

We are worried that court will take months & months & he will miss the trip

[Wishiwasmoiradingle2017]

Likely a judge will agree with you. . What a bitch she is. .

[maz1969]

There are 6 of us going 7 if my grandson can come

[maz1969]

She is being a bitch lol we are taking our 4 yr old plus 2 of the other grandkids it hurts us so bad that hes not allowed

[Patriciathestripper1]

Does your son see his son? And does your film have full custody? If so Your son will need his ex permission on the passport ( at least you used to need it) your dil sounds a right miserable cow.

[Patriciathestripper1]

Dil not film

[Wishiwasmoiradingle2017]

Who has the residency order? Whoever has it can travel without the other parents permission. If not both have to agree. And can register a dc who may be travelling without permission which could be picked up at the airport. Can't see a judge refusing tbh. .

[maz1969]

My son has the court order to see his son but my son still lives with us hes 25 yrs old lol so we have our grandson come here he wasnt married to his ex but he is on his sons birth certificate she has custody

[maz1969]

Basically my son applied to court for access 2 yrs ago as she stopped him seeing him for 6 months (she had hooked up with someone else) & was being a nasty cow my son won & he comes here every other weekend & after school twice a week he is going legoland next saturday with his daddy shes fine with this yet she wont let him come abroad?

[maz1969]

Can my son order his birth certificate without her consent? & apply for his passport ?

[NewIdeasToday]

All this talk of going to Court and ordering a passport without her consent is absolutely daft. If you're not careful you'll end up with no access and all sorts of problems.

Why not get your son to talk to his ex, find out her concerns and see if if sensible compromise can be reached.

[prh47bridge]

To take your grandson out of the country you need an order giving you or your son residence (which you clearly don't have) or the agreement of everyone who has PR. As your son is on the birth certificate he has PR but that does not give him the right to take his son out of the country. The consent of your grandson's mother is also required.

As she will not consent the next step is for your son to apply for a Specific Issue Order to allow him to take his son out of the country for this holiday. For a genuine holiday he will have no problem getting an order.

[maz1969]

No my son has already said hes not prepared just to take him without a court order he had a heated discussion with his ex earlier about her agreeing but she got very nasty & swears she will win in court

[maz1969]

Newideastoday he has hit a brick wall trying to get his ex to agree she said last year he would be allowed to come disney then at the beginning of this year she said not till hes 10 then as we book it she says not till hes 16 lol

[maz1969]

Her concerns at first were the terror attacks then earlier on her discussion with my son it was because she dont trust him why i dont know as hes a caring dad to his son i really hope the judge agrees 😟

[prh47bridge]

It is highly unlikely she will be able to block a genuine holiday. Her confidence she will win in court is misplaced.