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Using Whatsapp Messages in Court - CRAZY EX PARTNER :o(

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Mumstheword1980 Thu 06-Feb-14 11:40:47

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Collaborate Thu 06-Feb-14 11:57:38

Contact WhatsApp and see if they have details of which computer logged in to send which messages. If she has hacked in, it's a crime (as in NOTW) so you could go to the police. It's also something to raise with the judge at the next hearing.

Mumstheword1980 Thu 06-Feb-14 12:01:26

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CajaDeLaMemoria Thu 06-Feb-14 12:06:16

Did you authorise the iPod to access WhatsApp?

Mumstheword1980 Thu 06-Feb-14 12:08:32

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CajaDeLaMemoria Thu 06-Feb-14 12:12:08

Sorry, I think this will be important, so it's important that we understand it!

So you bought the iPods. Did you attach them to your DP's iTunes account, that you'd downloaded Whats App on? Did you set this up so that applications could be downloaded without requiring him to confirm his password, or do the children know the password?

I think whether this will be admissible will depend on exactly how she got access.

Mumstheword1980 Thu 06-Feb-14 12:16:16

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CajaDeLaMemoria Thu 06-Feb-14 12:25:47

Yes, that makes sense. Thank you!

Whats App syncs across all devices. I talk to my DP on it on my mobile, but the messages will sync to the iPad, the Nexus, both of our laptops...basically, the conversation will go to all of the devices that are authorised with the app.

If the iPods are set up in such a way that apps can be downloaded without passwords, the messages may be admissible. I think the obvious defence to that would be that they are private conversations that have been taken out of context, and you'd prove that by producing the entire conversation, to moot however she is trying to twist the conversation.

If the iPods would need a password to download the app, and his ex has guessed this, the messages wouldn't be admissible because she has then hacked the iTunes account to access the messages. This would be easy for Apple to prove, if necessary, although they'd probably only respond to an official court request.

It's made more complicated if your DP ever told his ex his iTunes password, which wouldn't be unusual, but which would mean that she hadn't hacked the account because she knows the credentials.

Presuming that the content of the messages in their entirety is just intimate and not illegal, dangerous, etc, then I wouldn't worry too much. It may be a bit mortifying to need to produce whole personal conversations, but it'll take the wind out of her sails.

If the content is something that could be twisted to reflect badly on you or your ability to look after the children, you'll need more specialist advice from someone who can see the actual messages.

In any case, I'd print the whole Whats App archive, and take it to your solicitors. Don't take any of what I've said as legal advice, because I obviously can't offer that without knowing everything. It's just how I'd expect things to go based on what you've said, and it should help keep you calm until you can see actual legal representation.

Mumstheword1980 Thu 06-Feb-14 12:31:45

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prh47bridge Thu 06-Feb-14 13:02:37

Even if she has got hold of these conversations legally she will need to show that they are relevant. Unless she can use these messages to show that you and/or your partner are a danger to the children the court is unlikely to be interested. Indeed, she may be shooting herself in the foot by showing the court that she is behaving unreasonably.

Mumstheword1980 Thu 06-Feb-14 13:46:06

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Mumstheword1980 Fri 07-Feb-14 09:38:14

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Mumstheword1980 Fri 07-Feb-14 09:40:42

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MaryPoppinsCarpetBag Fri 07-Feb-14 10:01:32

Social services are involved for cohabiting? For living with a partner? Huh?

She's having you on. Ignore ignore ignore.

Mumstheword1980 Fri 07-Feb-14 10:33:07

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MaryPoppinsCarpetBag Fri 07-Feb-14 14:14:04

Social services put her under caution?
I really don't think she's telling the truth.
Do you need to be in contact with her? If not, ignore her completely.

Mumstheword1980 Fri 07-Feb-14 14:48:10

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cestlavielife Fri 07-Feb-14 15:17:46

just ignore her - focus on a case as to why chidlren should see their dad and address any possible legitimate concerns.

Mumstheword1980 Fri 07-Feb-14 15:20:07

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MaryPoppinsCarpetBag Fri 07-Feb-14 15:31:49

Social services can't tell you if they've got any cases for her - that would be breach of DPA!

Mumstheword1980 Fri 07-Feb-14 15:34:00

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cestlavielife Fri 07-Feb-14 16:56:50

unless ss contact you directly to ask questions related to the dc then just ignore and dont phone ss in her area etc. as was pointed out these things are confidential anyway - maybe the person on phone is trained to say what she said...

Mumstheword1980 Fri 07-Feb-14 17:04:26

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