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Please help me to understand my cycles before I have my referral appointment

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Sparkle9 Mon 28-Oct-13 11:58:36

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ohfourfoxache Mon 28-Oct-13 14:54:16

Oh Sparkle (((((hugs)))))

OK, I'm going to be a bit controversial here.

You came of the pill in February. Do you have regular cycles? If so, were they regular from the start, or have they become increasingly regular?

I have to admit that I am not a believer in tracking BBT - for so many couples this actually achieves little more than increasing anxiety. And, to be completely, 110% honest, eight months isn't an excessive amount of time to try (although it probably feels like eight years rather than eight months) sad My personal opinion is that you should probably stop doing BBT for now, at least until you are seen by the Specialists, and use the time to try to relax.

What I would recommend is that you get an appointment booked as soon as you can (this will hopefully put your mind at rest a little bit - as in something has been "done") and carry on DTD every two days.

There are so, so many couples who TTC, and, as soon as an appointment is made at a clinic, it "happens". Admittedly this evidence is anecdotal but it happens surprisingly often!

Good luck, and please feel free to PM me if you want to x

Sparkle9 Mon 28-Oct-13 23:39:22

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ohfourfoxache Tue 29-Oct-13 08:12:23

Sorry sparkle - I didn't mean to upset you. What I was suggesting, however, is that if you have been doing BBT since coming off the pill in February, you may wish to stop BBT and stop thinking about TTC in quite such a scientific way. I completely understand if this is something that you feel you must do (i.e. to feel that you're actively "doing" something) but, if AF arrives 8 days post ovulation then it suggests that you are in fact ovulating normally.

The evidence may be anecdotal, but there are a great many couples who I have met who conceive naturally once they stop "over thinking" when to DTD etc. Now, I'm not saying that this is the case for you, and it may be that planning and doing BBT is what will put your mind at rest, but I am merely offering a suggestion.

I really, really don't want to upset you (and please forgive me if I'm being over sensitive but I sense from your last post that I've probably pissed you off - I apologise for this, I don't mean to make things any harder for you) so I'm going to step away from the thread.

I wish you the very, very best of luck and truly hope that your wish for a family comes true quickly xx

Sparkle9 Tue 29-Oct-13 09:09:36

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MyMotherHadMeTested Tue 29-Oct-13 09:22:18

Hi Sparkle, I don't have any experience of your specific issue, but from what I remember of BBT isn't your chart what you'd expect? So temp rise after ovulation, followed by sharp drop just prior to AF? Sounds like your LP is shorter than ideal (although I think implantation can occur from 6dpo so not totally impossible), have you tried B vitamins/ EPO, etc, to see if it makes a difference? Nothing more helpful to suggest, I'm sorry - hope appointment goes well xx

Sparkle9 Tue 29-Oct-13 10:00:22

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ohfourfoxache Tue 29-Oct-13 19:54:32

Hi Sparkle , sorry for the delay in responding - I've been doing battle with a certain bastard of a journalist today!! wink

I'm so sorry if you found me to be dismissive, that certainly wasn't my intention blush It just worries me deeply in case people put themselves under any more stress than they are under already.

Anyhoo, moving forward - I'm really glad that you've got (what sounds like) a supportive GP and I'm really glad that you've got a specialist's appointment coming up. Have you had LH and FSH levels done yet? (These should be between day 2 and day 5) It would also be really helpful, if you haven't already, to also have a testosterone and oestradiol at the same time. By the sounds of it you may well benefit from "cycle monitoring" in the first instance to pin-point everything throughout your cycle. This involves blood tests (usually 2 - day 2-5 and approx. day 21) and usually 3 ultrasound throughout your cycle to see exactly what happens when.

Being completely honest, and it's obviously completely up to you and DH/DP, but you might want to hold off on the private side, just for a little while, until you've had your investigations. The reason for this is because different areas have different levels of entitlement, and if it is found that you need a particular type of treatment, you may find that the NHS in your local area refuses to fund it.

If you want to PM me roughly where you live then I'm more than happy to help you to find the fertility policy for that area.

I really do wish you the very best of luck Sparkle - the not knowing, trying to second guess everything and accompanying worry is an absolute shit to go through. I hope that you get the answers you need.

Sparkle9 Tue 29-Oct-13 21:28:44

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Sparkle9 Wed 30-Oct-13 20:32:01

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MyMotherHadMeTested Wed 30-Oct-13 20:42:57

Sorry to hear it didn't go how you hoped - a friend of mine was similarly disappointed by her initial appointment, as she had obviously done a lot of research and felt really dismissed by the Dr she saw. However, when the sperm analysis was done it showed that her husband had extremely low motility, and therefore her cycle wasn't the main issue. Apologies as I don't know much about the process of fertility support, but if you did need some assistance (either NHS or private) would things like progesterone injections/ medication help prolong your LP? I'm sure I've heard of this as something that is done post-IVF transfer.
Anyway, you've had a tough day today, I think anything like this where you have to wait/ build up hopes is often an anti-climax. Be kind to yourself and have some treats flowers

HoopHopes Wed 30-Oct-13 23:21:12

Hi. The NHS fertility system is not always as smooth and as quick as we would hope for. You had amazingly good and quick referral times as the policy is 12 months of trying before NHS generally accepts and tests people under the age of 35 and for your gp to do the bloods, scan and referral so quickly and only 8 months from ceasing contraception is amazing. So when you hit the first wall of NHS systems it might feel depressing. The NHS will not refer you for fertility treatments until they have done all the tests. My story was a 3 month wait between every NHS appointment after. 4 month wait for initial consultation with a junior dr and we saw a different one each time.

There are basic tests that need to be done. A semen analysis is key as are more bloods, tests to check for STI's etc and all of which is needed before NHS fertility treatment. You could continue with this clinic and get the basic tests and diagnosis from them then decide to pay for the treatment privately? Or you could look for a private clinic and find one that specialises in your problem? Private clinics will still need all the basic tests that the NHS are doing, so having them done now can save time if you choose the private option.

My 7 year journey for my precious child was long, but worth every second of it now.

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