Age 40, extremely low AMH, 17 weeks pregnant after failed IVF and failed Clomid. Here's what I did...(35 Posts)
I wanted to start this discussion as I wondered if sharing my experience might help others.
I had been TTC for about 3 years, I had unexplained infertility, my husband's sperm is fine. In a nutshell, we did 4 cycles of clomid and 2 IVFs on the NHS. I found out I had an extremely low AMH (off the scale, it couldn't be measured) on the first IVF. I produced one solitary egg, although it did fertilise to a top grade embryo, it didn't implant. The second IVF was 100% better. Yep, I had the grand total of 2 eggs. This time nothing fertilised. A few days later I found out from a blood test I had in between IVFs that I hadn't ovulated. The fertility clinic told me my only opportunity was donor eggs. Whilst I told them I wanted to keep trying on my own (after all IVF cycle 1 was no different from a good normal cycle - if I could get my body to ovulate), they looked at me as if I was setting myself up for even more heart-ache. I felt grief like I have never known!
On my second IVF, I was already reading about alternative therapies and had started accupuncture to complement the IVF. After that failed and I did more internet research I read 3 books:
1. Inconceivable by Julia Indichova (a good positive story of a 40-something woman getting pregnant after being told she couldn't get pregnant naturally due to FSH levels. Talks about all the things she tried)
2. Making Babies - proven 3 month programme for maximum fertility by Sami David & Jill Blakeaway (lots about diet and chinese medicine)
3. The Infertility Cure by Randine Lewis (an excellent, thorough guide to understanding Chinese Medicine and acupuncture for the patient)
I then started Traditional Chinese Herbs, at a clinic in Norfolk. He is an excellent Chinese Medicine doctor (trained in China), but I understand there is a guru in London if anyone is down south. She is much more expensive though (but it would probably work out considerably cheaper than IVF even so). I just went to the one in Norfolk because he was near me.
So, in a nutshell, I got pregnant using Chinese herbs, acupuncture and a change in diet to complement the Chinese diagnosis + I also started to take Royal Jelly capsules. In all, I was pregnant within 2 months of starting this. I was over the moon to see the smiley face on the Ovulation Predictor Kit, didn't think that egg would end up being the baby that is now inside me.
So, fingers crossed all ends up ok. I won't be comforted until the baby is in my arms and it has been a bit rocky so far anyway, but we're doing ok right now.
Happy to talk more about this on this board if anybody would like to.
Best wishes to everyone.
PurpleDaisies Oh brilliant where do I sign up?! If it was that easy, why have I bothered fannying around with IVF and wasting £1000s on that when 3 weeks of Chinese herbs would have sorted me out a treat?! Honestly, (putting it as politely as I can) what fucking bollocks.
You missed a corker from joan66 earlgreyt. Guaranteed babies in three weeks with special herbs. As if it was that easy.
It makes me so angry because people like that must know how horrible it is wanting to be pregnant and not being and just try and take advantage.
PurpleDaisies. Well said, I think (I'm assuming you mean the Chinese herbs etc is all you need or joan66 post ... is bollocks rather than pinkheels wise and somewhat more balanced post).
This is absolutely bollocks and posting it in an infertility board is just cruel.
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Really pleased to see some of the lovely stories on here, but just wanted to express a word of caution about Chinese medicine during/after fertility treatment- my clinic has made a point of mentioning the increase of people using herbs and medicines during treatment that can often react badly with stimms and have unintended consequences. I accept that there's a lot we don't know about potential benefits but it seems there can be risks involved too.
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Hi, I have recently conceived. Age 37. Faced low AMH condition, moved on to Chinese medicines, which seem to have worked. My Chinese doctor is advising for me to continue with some other Chinese medication for three more months (saying it would help in better implantation and blood flow). My gynecologist (allopath) is not sure though, and has asked me to decide whether to not to continue with Chinese medicines during pregnancy. She obviously has no qualification or experience of Chinese medicines.
Has any member here, who has conceived after Chinese medication, continued the Chinese medicines during pregnancy? Just wish to hear your experiences, as there is no certainty anyway that your and my Chinese medicines would be the same.
I thought I would share my story too. I am 40 and was TTC for 2 years, had my AMH tested and it was less than 4, so was told my only hope was IVF. As I was approaching 40 I was only given 1 round of IVF on the NHS, which failed. I only got 1 egg, but it fertilised and made it to blastocyst, but didn't implant. Even though it was such a poor result we decided to do one more IVF and pay for it privately but before we could go ahead with it I was pregnant the following month naturally. I couldn't believe it. I hope this gives hope to others. I don't know if the IVF stimulated my fertility or if it was just chance, but whatever the reason we couldn't be more happy. I am now 18 weeks pregnant
Hi mumkin lovely story thank you for sharing! I had my ditsy appointment with TCM practitioner and acupuncturist today and already I cannot recommend enough. The relaxation and stress relief was phenomenal. I can honestly say that I haven't been in such peace for years! I am awaiting my 'prescription' of herbs to compliment the acupuncture and to attempt to stabilise my 90+ day cycle and rare ovulation issue. I hope I am as lucky as you! Thank you for sharing. X
thank you countrymumkin1 for sharing a good story, i have one daughter she is almost 2 years old and i had 2 miscarriages after she was born.
went to 2 different doctors and my AMH come out as 0.38 with one doctor and 0.50 with another one. they are pushing for IVF, i ahve no problems getting pregnant but i can not hold the baby.
i started accunputure, diet, exercising more, cutted caffeine, alchool, soda....using ovulation kit.
fingers crossed! hopefully i will have good news
I am just beginning some fertility consultations and recently had an "undiscovered" ectopic pregnancy that was very life-threatening. I was wondering if you would be available in private message? I have a few questions relative to the low AMH i have been told i have.
Hi everyone, I have read so many sad stories about low AMH that I decided to write about mine. I conceived a beautiful boy when I was 30 with out any effort. I used Mirena since then for 4 years. I haven't been able to get pregnant again and I have been trying for almost 2 years (Now IM 37). A year ago I got all my tests and everything was fine except for my AMH which was almost undetectable (0.16). Although I haven't get pregnant yet, last month my OB did all my yearly tests and I was very happy to see that the AMH went up to 0.84 normal/low. If I could increase the AMH levels (which the doctor had said was impossible) that means that AMH measures not only quantity but also quality. What did I do? during the whole year I stop diets (eat regular healthy food with lots of veggies and fruits), drank fertili-greens every morning, coq10 ubiquinol, maca, pre natal vitamins and DHEA. I hope this gives you hope... Before going to IVF, IUI or any other expensive treatment, try to increase your AMH levels. This also increases your chances that any of those treatments works. Now I'm going to start with Clomid. I will keep you posted.
Hi SJNB. Sorry this is a late reply, I don't come on often.
His name is Dr Ye
HADO DR YE'S TCM CLINIC
LOWER GROUND 5A LABOUR IN VAIN YARD, GUILDHALL HILL
Tel number 01603 444 292
He doesn't have a website. It's a typical Chinese set up. Accupunture is in one room with two beds and you may find he consults with you in what we would see as a waiting room. However, if you can look through this, you will be pleased with the results. I trust him implicitly. I also took herbs in first 3 months to help with retention etc.
If you want any more thoughts, direct message me as I seem to get notified via my email of these.
PS I saw a different accupunturist called Justine Oliver who is a fertility specialist. Dr Ye isn't billed as a fertility specialist, he is a generalist, but knows his stuff!
I am in a similar situation to the one you were in, please could you tell me the details of the herbal medicine doctor you used in Norfolk, please? Thank you.
Yep, I did find the organic expensive, especially meat. Think I must have got better at using every bit of food rather than what I used to do, which was let things sail past their sell-by date without keeping an eye out ;-)
Let me know how you get on, I'll be thinking of you.
Thx for posting, will have a thorough read later.
We've gone organic too as much as we possibly can. Expensive isn't it?!
twinklestar2 Hi there.
The changes I made to diet were all based on Chinese Food Energetics. Here is a good site to find out more:
The changes I made to my diet were purely to do with my diagnosis from Chinese Medicine so it will be different for everyone. My diagnosis was this
spleen and kidney yang deficiency
liver chi stagnation
I was also cold and had a lot of damp.
Therefore, there were certain foods I should incorporate into my diet (lamb, beef, coconut, cherries, oats, ... - I could go on but they are a list of things that were relevant for me) and certain things I shouldn't eat, or eat a very limited amount of because they encouraged cold/damp conditions (pork, dairy, wheat... again I could go on, but this was relevant to my diagnosis). I was also told to not eat anything raw (re the cold/damp) and to have plenty of slow-cooked foods/stews. Also, I went organic completely. I felt amazingly well doing this, I have to say.
I hope the website above helps you to find out more, but it is definitely worth seeing a Chinese Medicine specialist to get diagnosed, so you can make the choices that are right for you.
One thing I forgot to say that may also help people is how much I spent on herbs and acupuncture....
I spent £70 per month on herbs (2 weeks worth) and about £70 per month on acupuncture (2 sessions a month). Initially, you need to do more acupuncture, but once you've done it for a bit, you can cut down to 2 per month.
Really hope this helps. Let me know how it all goes.
Could you tell us the changes you made to your diet?
TheAccidentalExhibitionist How are you? Hope you are well. Did you find a Chinese herbalist? Here's an interesting article referring to a very good one in London (who is probably a bit pricey because she trades on being a fertility specialist - my acupuncturist thought she was a bit too expensive [having said that she is MUCH cheaper than IVF]), but you can probably find a good one in any large town. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/25/infertility-treatment-babies-doctor-zhai Where is your nearest town?
Thanks both of you, I'm going to try and find a Chinese herbalist now
keep going, keep going...repeat after me...keep going
TheAccidentalExhibitionist sounds great what you are doing. That's exactly how I felt 'preparing my body for pregnancy' or more sort of 'getting myself working to conceive and support pregnancy'. My Chinese herbal practitioner prescribed me herbs to support retention of the foetus in the first 12 weeks too, so not sure if that is something you will also be having. 'Retention of foetus' is not exactly how the Chinese herbalists will describe it, but it's all to do with balance inside your body (liver, kidney etc) and also your female parts as I understand it! I actually had really high HCG readings at one of my tests around 12 weeks and my blood was sent to St Barts for further testing as they thought it was the herbs. My Chinese doctor also thinks it could also be the herbs pushing my HCG up to keep the pregnancy strong. I will be thinking of you and wishing you well for a happy healthy pregnancy in the near future. xx
Nananaps, I've been following your story on MN. It inspired us to keep on trying for a baby despite 5 miscarriages. After thinking it just wasn't going to happen for us, seeing that it happened for you has given us hope.
Countrymumkin1 thanks for posting this, I'm using a combination of herbal medicine and homeopathy to prepare my body for pregnancy. I figure I've got nothing to lose right? It's certainly made me feel more balanced.
nananaps that is absolutely FANTASTIC! After all you have been through, that is just so wonderful.
We had the 20 week scan just before Christmas and all looked lovely. I'm starting to get bigger now and just reached 22 weeks yesterday.
Congratulations to you, not long to go now! x
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