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Didn't know whether to feel sorry for this journo..

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Twiglett Tue 09-Aug-05 19:48:16

Sunday Times Article praising older women without kids .. some kind of we can still party piece

made me feel incredibly sad for the journalist TBH ..

hunkermunker Tue 09-Aug-05 19:52:02

Definitely - if the queen in her world is Tracey Emin...

Gobbledigook Tue 09-Aug-05 19:53:12

Yes, yes love - you just write a nice big article about it in the paper and you might yet convince yourself.

Current APGs Tamara Mellon, Tracey Emin, Courtney Love - OH NO, I SOOOOO want to join that list!


Twiglett Tue 09-Aug-05 19:54:51

and praising women who can manage to party on whilst having children .. don't let a life-changing thing change you at all now .. Kate Moss indeed .. pah

Willow2 Tue 09-Aug-05 19:56:08

Courtney Love has a kid - not that I would want to be that child.

marthamoo Tue 09-Aug-05 19:57:38

Ah, so Kate Moss is the mother I should aspire to be...

Gobbledigook Tue 09-Aug-05 19:58:10

I know!! Yeah right!

franke Tue 09-Aug-05 19:59:49

There is an air of desperation about that article. Admiring a woman who stands on her head to show she's not wearing any knickers....ffs

Twiglett Tue 09-Aug-05 20:03:08

"But should we not only hold up the APG as a viable alternative to the constraints of marriage and the drudgery of bringing up children, but also celebrate her for it?"

the drudgery of bringing up children ... well really what an arse

hunkermunker Tue 09-Aug-05 20:04:29

Waking up hungover every morning with a mouth like an ashtray and thinking you're clever for flashing your bits while wearing sequins - classy! God, I wish that was my life!

moondog Tue 09-Aug-05 20:05:33

Journalists tend to write about each other or else they just make this shit up.
(MI obviously excluded!!)

There was some dullard whingeing in the Sunday telegraph about people with kids and how she preferred her Italian greyhounds.

They don't get it do they?? I don't go a whole heap on mumsy talk but without children there quite literally is no future.

bubble99 Tue 09-Aug-05 20:06:52

Methinks she doth protest too much. And Tracey Emin has freely admitted that she wants to be a mother, 'drudgery' and all.

weesaidie Tue 09-Aug-05 20:07:28

Twiglett - I was just about to make a sarky remark about the drudgery thing! Ridiculous, she manages to be sad and insulting. I do actually manage to have a life without my dd too any bloody way.

The way she names herself as one of these fantastic APGs is just a little up her own arse for me.

franke Tue 09-Aug-05 20:07:34

hm me too! And why on earth did she use that Dorothy Parker quote at the end? I don't think she realises how completely pertinent it is.

Caligula Tue 09-Aug-05 20:07:58

Vacuuous, vacuuous, vacuuous.

And yes, just a little bit desperate.

Caligula Tue 09-Aug-05 20:09:27

The thing is, Dottie P. was clever.

And this one really missed the point of that quote by a mile, didn't she?

Gobbledigook Tue 09-Aug-05 20:10:37

It's hilarious actually isn't it - once you get over feeling sorry for her!

Drudgery indeed!

Twiglett Tue 09-Aug-05 20:14:56

like you can't be a tart .. and then marry happily and become a mother and be grateful your tarting days are behind you

I loved the Dororthy Parker quote .. Snurk

motherinferior Tue 09-Aug-05 20:16:13

I'm all for supporting women who don't want to have kids - like some of my best mates - but it was pretty vacuous, really. I can imagine, very well, being in her position and feeling that whether or not I would have preferred to have children my life was pretty damn good as it was, though. And I bet Deeson's article was annoying.

franke Tue 09-Aug-05 20:16:53

I just reread it actually - I thought it had to be tongue-in-cheek and we'd all missed the point. But oh no, she's deadly serious, poor cow.

RachD Tue 09-Aug-05 20:17:40

Oh yeah, she definitely convinved me........
How come I never realised that my life was so shallow and drab with my loving dh and beautiful ds.
Silly me.
Just off out, to get pissed & to flash my celulite at anyone who will watch.

motherinferior Tue 09-Aug-05 20:22:25

I do think it's an important point, though; some fabulous women of a Certain Age are perfectly happy not having children. They've chosen not to, and they are having very nice lives. Some of my friends are very definitely in that group. Others would, I think, have liked to have had children if their lives had turned out otherwise, but are certainly having rather fabulous lives without them. I hope very much that had I not somewhat accidentally ended up in the partner-with-kids contingent I would have been one of those latter women.

franke Tue 09-Aug-05 20:26:05

I think you make the point very well mi. Unfortunately the article doesn't. The lives of the women she describes don't sound fabulous. They seem to consist of getting drunk, swearing a lot and getting their bits out.

Caligula Tue 09-Aug-05 20:26:47

Not me. I'd have been a wizened old crone with a hump and an attitude!

Actually does having children make any difference?

motherinferior Tue 09-Aug-05 20:29:39

(I fear I would have been one of them )

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