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OMG!!!! What ever you think of Ken Livingstone......

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QueenOfQuotes Sun 24-Jul-05 03:48:42

this article is shocking IMO!

I was reading through some of the reports about the Brazillian who was killed, and came across this one.

I'm stunned and and really not sure what to think!

QueenOfQuotes Sun 24-Jul-05 03:55:04

oh well guess I'm the last one up

Suppose I'd better go grab some sleep, have to be up at 8.30

monkeytrousers Sun 24-Jul-05 07:23:37

God, you're a night owl! I'm done for it I don't get into bed by 10! How'd you do it??

I'm really depressed by this article. The debate between Israel and the Occupied Territories is so polarised it's nigh on pointless trying to have it at all, each one is at the point where they find it impossible to recognise the others basic humanity.

I think in this situation, Livingstone is right in trying to draw parallels between both sides. It's a symbolic point that each side attemts to ignore but its the bloody elephant in the room and nothing will ever be close to being solved until they see it.

Neither has the high moral ground even though Israel is always attempting to claim it. I hate to see columinsts do this. It's so irresponsible, IMO.

monkeytrousers Sun 24-Jul-05 07:32:00

In calling everyone who tries to get their head around this debate 'antisemetic' only isolates the Israeli position more too. They are a traumatised nation and as a consequence are so reactionary it's self defeating.

Enid Sun 24-Jul-05 08:05:05

they are both as bad as each other in my uninformed opinion.

that article sounds massively biased though

monkeytrousers Sun 24-Jul-05 08:42:17

I have read an article by Phillips before and was surprised by just how measured she was, as I generally find her just as inflammatory as this guy. On this occasion I agreed with alot of her points. The link he has in this doesn't work though, so I don't know if it's the same one.

Janh Sun 24-Jul-05 11:05:19

Well he is called Aaron Goldstein, Enid.

hester Sun 24-Jul-05 11:11:37

Meaning, Jan?

Caligula Sun 24-Jul-05 11:13:24

He's just the usual run of the mill columnist who accuses anyone who criticises Israel of anti-Semitism. Yawn.

TwinSetAndPearls Sun 24-Jul-05 14:29:51

I have to say I lost interest when he called on Melanie Phillips for support.

NotQuiteCockney Sun 24-Jul-05 14:34:37

Um, here is another article from the same site, arguing that all Muslim-American citizens should be put in internment camps.

TwinSetAndPearls Sun 24-Jul-05 14:45:03



note the disclaimer at the bottom of the article!

Caligula Sun 24-Jul-05 14:55:53

Hahaha TSaP - yes, you must be pretty desperate if you're calling on Melanie Philips for support! I wonder how much more to the right she's going to move as she gets older? I wonder if she actually believed any of the lefty liberal stuff she used to utter?

snafu Sun 24-Jul-05 15:00:09

TSaP - was this what you meant - "After completing two years at Tidewater Community College, Dave Gibson became a Virginia Beach Deputy Sheriff. He has since left the department and now owns a small business in the city of Chesapeake, Virginia. An active volunteer in many animal organizations, he has worked at the Virginia Zoo, the Norfolk SPCA, and currently works for the K-9 New Life Center based in Virginia Beach."

Well qualified to comment on international terrorism, then...

Janh Sun 24-Jul-05 15:12:40

I thought twinset meant

Ed: Views are those of individual authors and not necessarily those of American Daily.

snafu Sun 24-Jul-05 15:14:04

She probably did, Jan - the other bit just tickeld me rather

Janh Sun 24-Jul-05 15:14:49

Me too - esp the Norfolk SPCA! Possibly not much of a people person...

NotQuiteCockney Sun 24-Jul-05 15:26:58

They put that disclaimer at the bottom of all the columns. But all of it seems to have a very-right-wing bias.

Amai Sun 24-Jul-05 15:35:46

Personally I like Ken alot and think he is a great mayor. However I dont think he should not get involved in the politics of israel and palestine because it is irrelevant to his job. It is also dodgy to bunch all these terrorists together because they follow some form of islamic faith. Many muslims denounce them saying these are not muslims because real muslims do not go about blowing people up in this way just to get some attention.

Windermere Sun 24-Jul-05 15:58:34

The man is a complete waste of space.

Caligula Sun 24-Jul-05 16:09:42

Now Windemere, don't beat around the bush, say what you think!

Amai Sun 24-Jul-05 17:10:40

oops double negative

donnie Sat 30-Jul-05 15:23:03

an incredibly biased article - in fact there is a lot of similarity between Likud and Hamas: the leader of Likud ( Sharon) invaded Beirut and is a mass killer. Plus he shares his job position ( Israeli PM) with a known terrorist ( Menachim Begin, a member of the Stern gang which blew up the King David Hotel among other things). So the lovely Mr Goldsten is wrong !

donnie Sat 30-Jul-05 15:23:44

and the lovely Ken is right. Rock on!

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