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gasp - do i *like* Alan Johnson

(27 Posts)
InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 08:14:43

he was rather reasonable on tv this morning - not ranting about the opposition not changing the question with a deft " well the thing is,..." spin tactic.

I liked him

DO i need help

InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 08:15:42

oh adn he is out and proud as an Atheist

<claps>

InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 08:21:09

oh NO he was the one who got all hissy about the drugs guy

<going off emoticon>

foxinsocks Thu 12-Nov-09 08:22:20

he reminds me of someone from Star Trek

InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 08:37:44

is he nice or am i erring on the dark side

BecauseImWorthIt Thu 12-Nov-09 08:51:46

He comes across as 'salt of the earth' type - honest, straightforward and not duplicitous in any way.

But he's still a politician ... grin

InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 08:52:33

he has a son who is not a WIlliam Hague a like iirc

InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 08:53:39

oh HOLD on
he was a nob about that Asbergery spy kid being extradited

ellipsis Thu 12-Nov-09 08:57:19

You seem very conflicted InterruptingKid. He's a politician. Therefore the whole point of him is to make people like him and think he is a reasonable sort.

InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 08:58:43

i am
I feel like I am part of the lyrics to Ebony and ivory

Talkable Thu 12-Nov-09 09:04:30

Know him. Love him. Don't love all his politics but think he is better than most.

Swedes2Turnips0 Thu 12-Nov-09 09:06:14

I can't stand AJ. I can't believe he's an MP, let alone a senior Minister - I think he completely lacks the required intellectual rigour.

Apart from the recent Nutt fiasco, he voted strongly in favour of ID Cards and student top-up fees. He also voted strongly in favour of the Iraq war and Labour's anti-terror laws, and strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.

InterruptingKid Thu 12-Nov-09 09:07:36

ah i knew someone would put me right
i dont knwo what came over me.

Swedes2Turnips0 Thu 12-Nov-09 09:08:54

And as for the resurgence of the possiblity of him replacing Brown as Labour leader. Noooooo. He didn't even come first in the deputy leadership contest.

I think Ed Miliband is really impressive. More so than his brother.

Talkable Thu 12-Nov-09 09:09:32

Of course he did Swedes. Those are Government policies and he is a Cabinet Minister. Had he voted otherwise he would have lost his job.

Just say you hate the current Government. Don't blame AJ.

And I have briefed him and can guarantee that he is a lot more intelligent than many other politicians I have tried to brief.

Swedes2Turnips0 Thu 12-Nov-09 09:12:38

I'd be pleased to accept him as my postman though. And I'd probably tip him at Christmas so long as didn't keep putting next door's post through our letterbox like the postman before last.

Talkable Thu 12-Nov-09 09:16:53

How patronising.

Let the working class bloke deliver our mail not run our country.

I repeat. He is not stupid.

Swedes2Turnips0 Thu 12-Nov-09 09:29:13

Talkable - I didn't say he was stupid. I said he lacked the necessary intellectual rigour to be a senior Minister. And the fact that you "guarantee that he is a lot more intelligent than many other politicians I have tried to brief" doesn't really tell us anything. But I don't doubt it's true.

onebatmother Thu 12-Nov-09 09:36:01

What talkable said but without the knowing him bit.

Swedes2Turnips0 Thu 12-Nov-09 09:39:36

Talkable - And it's not unknown for Minsiters to resign their post in order to vote with conscience and true beliefs. They don't lost their job as an MP (which should be their job first and foremost in any case) just their ministerial position.

<wonders why people who work in politics are so divorced from reality and reason>

onebatmother Thu 12-Nov-09 09:40:51

oops only read first 5 posts or so! Sorry.

Talkable Thu 12-Nov-09 09:50:22

Should being a constituency MP be his priority?

That is a really interesting question and one that I am honestly not sure how to answer. Our system of Government means that Ministers are mainly drawn from the ranks of MPs (and a few Peers). It is Ministers who decide policy and have most responsibility for how the country is run. They are the Executive. If every MP prioritised his constituency over his Ministerial job would that be to the detriment of the quality of Ministers and their commitment to their brief? If it was more common for Ministers to resign whenever Gov policy strayed from their own beliefs would it (a) reduce consistency in Departments and (b) reduce the Gov's ability to make hard decisions and provide strong leadership/ Or would it mean the Government acted more in line with voters' wants. And are voters' wants always the best guide when it comes to individual policies (even Today Programme listeners voted for a shoot on sight Bill for burglers when given the choice to sponser any piece of legislation)?

Its an interesting one.

Talkable Thu 12-Nov-09 09:51:26

(that was in response to Swedes' last post).

Swedes2Turnips0 Thu 12-Nov-09 09:55:39

Talkable - I'm very clear about that. Otherwise the legislature's vote is entirely lost in favour of the executive's in instances where a serving MP is a Minsister. That results in a democratic deficit for a whole constituency. That's wrong.

VulpusinaWilfsuit Thu 12-Nov-09 10:03:49

Generally, I think he has been an excellent, communicative and principled politician. But I have got right off him too over his doggedness over the Nutt affair.

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