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lodger in child death case wins appeal

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duelingFANGo · 27/10/2009 14:05

story (didn't want to put Baby P in the title)

I am kind of glad about this. It seemed a bit over the top to give him an indeterminate sentence as there is no evidence he was involved in any of the abuse.

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PixiNanny · 27/10/2009 14:29

Hang on, why did the parents get lesser sentences than him in the first place?! This system is screwed up.

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PixiNanny · 27/10/2009 14:29

sorry, one of the parents.

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PixiNanny · 27/10/2009 14:31

And they're getting new blooming identities?! This country absolutely disgusts me.

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Jujubean77 · 27/10/2009 14:32

I thought he was pivotal to the abuse, I thought I read he actually spurred it all on.

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thedollshouse · 27/10/2009 14:36

They are getting new identities because there is a risk to their lives if they don't. I couldn't care less about them and would not lose any sleep if they were killed but as a society we have a duty to protect the vulnerable which they will be. Shame we didn't also offer that same protection to their son.

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duelingFANGo · 27/10/2009 15:08

I read that he failed to alert the authorities but he did tell the parents to take the child to hospital.

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Jujubean77 · 27/10/2009 15:11

The abuse accelerated when he moved in.

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AngryFromManchester · 27/10/2009 15:11

I thought the lodger was the partners brother? and they had tortured even their own grandmother before this?

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duelingFANGo · 27/10/2009 15:18

From what I remember he moved into the house only 6 weeks before the child died.

While I think his part in not reporting them and other things in his life are wrong (having a 15 year old girlfriend for example) I am not sure that there was evidence that he abused the child himeslf.

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thedollshouse · 27/10/2009 15:19

He must have played a part in the abuse, he wouldn't have be given that sentence otherwise.

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Jujubean77 · 27/10/2009 15:21

Yes he definately played a part in the abuse, albeit by spurring on his brother. Isn't he also on trial for the assault on a 2 yo girl?

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fifitot · 27/10/2009 15:27

The news report on bbc is confusing. He does get an indeterminate sentence but the length of the mimimum has been cut. At least this means he won't get automatic release.

I can't believe what some of the remarks from the judges are. He is 'feckless' and 'irresponsible'. Oh I see that's what you call someone who tortures and terrifies a baby.

Idiot judges.

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duelingFANGo · 27/10/2009 15:28

"on the orders of the judge, Stephen Kramer QC, the jury found the mother and Owen not guilty of murdering the baby on August 3 last year."

and technically - he hasn't been given that sentence ... it's been overturned on appeal in a court of law.

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duelingFANGo · 27/10/2009 15:31

fifitot - I think you are wrong.
the Guardian reports it as "Jason Owen, 37, was originally given an indeterminate sentence for public protection ? with a minimum term of three years ? at the Old Bailey in May. Three judges at the court of appeal in London allowed his appeal against the indefinite term of imprisonment, and replaced it with a sentence of six years' imprisonment"

so he doesn't have an indeterminate sentence at all.

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Lulumama · 27/10/2009 15:33

i think he is culpable for not doing anything to help the child. telling the 'parents' to take him to hospital, but not doing anything himslef makes him culpable

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duelingFANGo · 27/10/2009 15:36

I think he is too, but I think the previous sentence was probably a bit too much. Not that I think 6 years is enough either. Maybe if he is waiting to be tried for other stuff he will stay in longer?

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fifitot · 27/10/2009 15:45

Well the Guardian might be more accurate, the BBC site is confusing.

If he did get a determinate sentence of 6 years he will be out in 3 automatically. Some sentence for what happened to that baby.

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Lulumama · 27/10/2009 15:47

i think he should have a longer sentence, he was culpable in as much as he did not proactively try to protect baby P, he was on the run with a 15 year old and had made her a hiding place, should hte police have come looking.. i think he is a danger to children and on that basis, needs a long sentence and / or intensive help/probation/tagging etc..

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AngryFromManchester · 27/10/2009 15:51

they never got charged for torturing their own grandmother

anmd yes, how old was he to be having a 15 yr old girldfriend?

I am not at all sensationalist but I think they need to be made a spectacle of. This country is going down the pan. peoples 'normal' behaviour is horrendous and unluckily their whole charade of 'normality' ended in several children being abused and one dead.

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benjysmum · 27/10/2009 16:04

How is his behaviour different from leaving the scene of an accident (except for being a thousand times worse)? I think not reporting abuse should be criminal especially as he could have done it anonymously.

Besides if he's at that much risk, then surely jail is the best place for him. Permanently. With any luck, all the other criminals in there will make his life miserable.

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DollyPS · 28/10/2009 01:29

the automatic half sentence is only if the parole board let him out and he has shown remorse.

He should of got longer as he did nothing to help that little boy.

He is as bad as P parents even if he only moved in 6 weeks before so what he knew what was happening and sat back and did nothing at all.

I better stop now as I will just rant.

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fifitot · 28/10/2009 08:25

Dolly that used to be the case - not now. Since the 2003 criminal justice act unless someone is serving an indeterminate sentence they automatically released. Yes they are on licence until the end of the sentence and can be recalled at any time but the parole board has no say at the release stage.

Parole board only involved now in indeterminate sentences.

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sarah293 · 28/10/2009 08:28

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serajen · 28/10/2009 13:28

Am with you, Riven, the whole setence thing sickens me, leave them to bloody rot, they'll all be out in a few years, max, this country's justice system is in a sorry state

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Nancy66 · 28/10/2009 14:25

He didn't physically harm the child but he knew it was going on, saw the little boy was in pain and did nothing to intervene, nothing to help and nothing to stop it.

The fact that he didn't deliver a few kicks himself doesn't make him any less of a low life than the other two. it's highly possible that he got his kicks from watching the suffering rather than causing it.