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Yet another dog attack....

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Ewe Thu 15-Oct-09 23:18:14

Poor kid.

I do struggle sometimes to understand why people have dogs!

jellybeans Thu 15-Oct-09 23:35:47

how awful I would never have any kid of potentially vicious dog, I know even labbys can kill, but I just don't get why some people have certain types of dogs with kids (unless they are very experienced and sensible but it always seems the 'wrong type' that I see with them ie trying to look 'hard')

Ewe Thu 15-Oct-09 23:41:16

Daily Mail reports the dogs as Staffordshire Bull Terriers and the mother was apparently injured too

Amandoh Thu 15-Oct-09 23:43:38

The majority of dogs are not dangerous.

I can't really comment on this particular incident as there aren't any details but generally when I've read an article about a child being attacked or killed by a dog the child has been left unsupervised with the pet.

We have dogs (And various other pets) and our three year old absolutely adores them. He loves playing with them and going on walks with them. Through them he's learnt to have respect and care for other living creatures.

"I do struggle sometimes to understand why people have dogs!"...

They're company. For a lot of people they're a lifeline. They bring routine to their lives as they need regular daily walks and while out with a dog you're never short of conversation as many people stop you so they can stroke the dog. Infact, just this afternoon I had a lovely conversation with an old chap about his dog. He and I would never have spoken had he not have been walking his dog.

It is always a terrible tragedy when a child is attacked but it really isn't fair for every dog to be considered dangerous.

Disenchanted3 Thu 15-Oct-09 23:49:53

I have 2 pug puppies, one of the softest, dopiest most placid dogs around (the are known to pug lovers as the clowns of the dog world)

But I would never, ever leave them alone with my daughter, especially as theres 2 of them.

Ewe Thu 15-Oct-09 23:53:55

Of course not every dog is dangerous, I made a rather broad generalisation, I struggle to understand why people have dogs at the best of times. Not a feeling solely provoked by this article!

I should have probably said that I think if you have little babies/toddlers in the house it's not really worth the risk - in my opinion. I'm not really a dog person so I appreciate that I am completely biased.

I would also hate to have to worry/think about keeping my child away from my pet all of the time too, because you're right, these types of things typically happen when the children and dogs are together unsupervised.

sb6699 Thu 15-Oct-09 23:54:18

ANY dog can be dangerous if not raised/treated/trained properly.

As a lad my dh had staffies and he insists they were really soft but then again, they went to all the training classes, were well socialised and he is very vigilant around children, other dogs, etc.

Similarly my BIL had a rottweiller that was so gentle with the dc's it was unbelievable.

We have a lab, although they are known for being loyal and submissive with children its probably not so well known that most bite injuries seen in A&E are caused by labs. Suppose the difference is that a lab will have a wee nip to warn rather than deliberately try to hurt you although thats not to say they couldnt be vicious if they wanted to.

Most dogs are placid, friendly animals in the right hands and yet again the actions of a few are clouding folks judgment on the rest.

bronze Fri 16-Oct-09 12:26:55

"I should have probably said that I think if you have little babies/toddlers in the house it's not really worth the risk -"

We had a dog before we had children

dollius Fri 16-Oct-09 20:49:36

FGS

There are some people who rape and murder.

Let's ban people shall we?

"I do struggle sometimes to understand why people have dogs!"

And what, exactly, do you propose we do with all the dogs? Mass extermination?

junglist1 Fri 16-Oct-09 20:58:05

I bet the dogs were left chained in the garden because the owners couldn't be arsed. I have staffies but am very experienced and a confident owner, some breeds need firmer handling than others. They also need regular exercise which I bet these dogs never got. You can't allow toddlers to go up to chained dogs, or leave them unsupervised, FFS. When are people going to realise.

GhoulsAreLoud Fri 16-Oct-09 21:01:30

The very vast majority of dogs don't maim toddlers, even when they live with them.

preciouslillywhite Fri 16-Oct-09 21:12:22

oh, ffs!angry

Staffs are the only breed that the Kennel Club recommend for families with children.

As well as three kids, I have two staffies (and know a lot more)-they're lovely dogs but get a really unfair press. And speaking of press- I would also take anything I read in the Daily Shite with a shovelful of salt!

bubbles4 Fri 16-Oct-09 21:17:38

I have seen that too about staffys being a breed recommended by the kennel club to have with children,its not the dogs that are the problem it,s the irresponsible owners.

preciouslillywhite Fri 16-Oct-09 21:20:15

what bubbles said

<calms down>

<breeeeeathes>

as you were, ladies wink

TrickOrNinks Fri 16-Oct-09 23:50:29

I started an AIBU thread which I was roasted on about my feckwit neighbour getting a second-hand damaged staff and it chewing the leg off his nephew a day later.

I've seen it being let off the lead on the green where I walk my children, completely uncontrolled and thankfully running into the road rather than at DS in his pushchair although it was close.

But to be fair any dog would worry me, no? Well maybe an uncontrollable Pekinese might do major damage to the cuffs of my toddler's socks. Not so with a big sack of muscle, speed, weight and with huge jaws comprising strength and tearing ability.

JeremyVile Sat 17-Oct-09 00:04:20

All of you with dogs adn babies/ small children... Do you really ensure that they are never left alone in a room together?
I just dont see how thats workable. Is it really possible? Honestly?

On another point it really bugs me, this thing about Staffs being recommended as family pets. Why??
They may have a typically placid temperament but any dog can turn and surely you have less chance in getting between a Staff (or similar) and its victim than a smaller, less powerful dog?
Also, they apparently have a protective streak over their family but doesn't that just make them more of a danger to visitors? It does seem that these attacks are often when a child is visiting extended family.

JeremyVile Sat 17-Oct-09 00:09:47

Oh and another thing wink...
Dog owners always trot out the line that its not bad dogs but bad owners, well there is some truth in that obviously but I really am uncomfortable with the implication that dogs with owners who do all the right things re breeder, socialisation, training etc are therefore not a danger.
Any dog can attack. For all kinds of reasons. They are animals after all.

TrickOrNinks Sat 17-Oct-09 00:15:05

I don't get that either.

Why not say that Guinea Pigs are recommended pets?

They can turn, sure, they can nip you in warning AND they can be quite aggressive with their teeth and claws.

But they can't rip a child's throat out.

dollius Sat 17-Oct-09 08:49:53

Well JVile, what do you suggest?

Mass extermination of all the dogs. They are domesticated, have been for thousands of years - you can't just release them into the wild.

Like I said, there are lots of people who do bad things to children as well, but I don's see you recommending that we ban people.

Because it's absurd.

littleducks Sat 17-Oct-09 09:03:05

I have neighbours (thankfully not too close)who seem very similar, the police found they were growing cannabis at thi house when the went to investigate the attack, my neighbour is a deals the stuff. Its become a status thing hsaving a staffie.

I've seen how my neighbour tarins the dog, in the park out front, he gets the gog to bite lead then swings dog round in circles by lead, so dog is clamped down and supporting full body weight. Sends shivers down my sine imagining its a kids arm (he has 3 kids under 5 btw). Dog doesnt come when called, and lives wit two other dogs (a rottwellier and something else so they have a proper pack attitude)

Its been reported round here, dog warden gave them leaflets hmm apparently dog will go if it attacks someone. There should be stricter measures on who can keep dogs.

though tbh id prefer they banned the breed but i suppose then another 'tough' breed would become a fashion

littleducks Sat 17-Oct-09 09:05:17

(massive apologies that reads really bad, im sure the letters were there a minute ago hmm)

this house/neighbour is a dealer/dog bite lead/lives with

magnolia74 Sat 17-Oct-09 09:09:28

Banning the breed is not the answer but bringing in tight breeding laws and licencing for dogs would help.

I have staffies (and 5 kids!!!!) but to be honest I would probably not get one again, not because of the breed as I love my mine to pieces. But because they are so over bred and often inter bred which can cause all sorts of problems sad

littleducks Sat 17-Oct-09 09:18:05

According to this the nhs figures say dog injuries are 3 times 1991 figure

Wandswoth council have started a scheme where council tenants have to register their dogs and if they caused problems the ultimate sanction is eviction thats seems good to me

(scroll down for both links)

VeronicaMars Sat 17-Oct-09 09:38:41

My brother has a staffie, she's old now and has always been very placid BUT she would never be left unsupervised with my dd. As much as we love the dog she can't (no dog can) be trusted 100% with a child around.

edam Sat 17-Oct-09 09:42:04

All this 'staffies are brilliant with kids' stuff really irritates me. I've been chased by an aggressive staffordshire bull terrier. It wasn't looking too friendly at the time, tbh.

If I'd had ds with me, it could have been very nasty indeed. As it was, dog only left me alone when it spotted a little old lady across the street and went for her. Obviously I went to help her, then someone opened their front door to see what all the noise was and the dog ran inside their house and tried to go for their daughter - the father fought it off.

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