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2shoes Tue 22-Sep-09 09:00:36

suprised as this will affect us
wonder if they will all be allowed over here now.
can we keep taking all these people, considering the goverment is talking about cutting education due to lack of money. it isn't like they are fleeing a war torn country.

Grumpyoldcaaaaaaaa Tue 22-Sep-09 09:03:13

And there was me thinking Afghanistan was a war-torn country hmm

WinkyWinkola Tue 22-Sep-09 09:03:19

How do we know they're not fleeing a war torn country? Do we have access to their backgrounds?

I'm not sure about this actually.

"All these people" hysteria - wonder how many immigrants do contribute to our economy by working bloody hard once they're here.

HeadFairy Tue 22-Sep-09 09:03:23

I thought quite a few of the remainder were Afghans... that's pretty war torn as far as I can tell.

I'm not sure how it should be dealt with, I feel terribly sorry for these people, if living in terribly squalid conditions thousands of miles from home and family is better than home, then home must be pretty shit. I think there needs to be a more cohesive policy among all the EU countries...

Prunerz Tue 22-Sep-09 09:03:42

Did you not read the article, then?
Here's a quote that answers your question:

"Britain has ruled out taking them in, and Mr Johnson said genuine refugees should apply for asylum in the country where they entered the EU.

Speaking after talks in Brussels with his French counterpart Eric Besson on Monday, Mr Johnson said reports that Britain could be "forced" to take illegal immigrants were "wrong". "

fishie Tue 22-Sep-09 09:04:17

they are all going into detention aren't they, then being sent off back to port of entry. i heard a r4 report on that camp, they said it was hellish.

2shoes Tue 22-Sep-09 09:05:16

they are in France. France is not a war torn country

broguemum Tue 22-Sep-09 09:06:03

Erm... Did you read the report? They say that the immigrants are mainly Afghans? I believe one could say they are fleeing a war...

Portofino Tue 22-Sep-09 09:06:57

150 people - many of them children! It's hardly the end of the world. I don't see why UK should take them all, or Greece for that matter. Rehoming this number of people within the EU should not really be huge problem.

Grumpyoldcaaaaaaaa Tue 22-Sep-09 09:06:59

"it isn't like they are fleeing a war torn country"

But they are - Afghanistan?

Prunerz Tue 22-Sep-09 09:07:43

I am having trouble with EVERY sentence of your OP, 2shoes, and how it might relate to the article.
EVERY assumption you have made is not backed up by the link you posted.

Why does it affect us?
The article says directly they won't be allowed over here.
If the last sentence is true, then your next sentence is irrelevant.
Afghanistan is war-torn.

Blimey. <shakes head>

fishie Tue 22-Sep-09 09:08:37

yes they were calling them 'men' on the news earlier, but a lot of them aren't.

i saw some people living in bushes in a park the other day.

Portofino Tue 22-Sep-09 09:08:42

2shoes - would you be happy if your children had to live in those conditions?

Prunerz Tue 22-Sep-09 09:08:53

<Awaits the 'You can't have a different opinion on MN' brigade>

southeastastra Tue 22-Sep-09 09:09:13

i think this is so awful, fathers and sons being split up. it's inhumane how the french are going about this.

reminds me of district 9

HeadFairy Tue 22-Sep-09 09:11:22

On the radio this morning they said quite a few of the refugees were very very vulnerable, not just children, but women who are rape and torture survivors. I think we need to show these people compassion. That doesn't mean opening our doors unquestioningly, but I also don't think that means passing them off to someone else to deal with like so much garbage. Where is the EU on all this?

MmeLindt Tue 22-Sep-09 09:14:01

All these people? 150 according to the article.

It isn't like they are fleeing a war torn county? Many of the from Afghanistan.

WFT?

They are a couple of hundred people living in dreadful conditions, who were scammed out of their last savings to come to Europe. Many of their family/friends did not survive the inhumane transport organised by smugglers devoid of scruples.

Surely our countries are not in such bad state that we cannot afford to help these people? Do we really grudge them that?

Lifeinagoldfishbowl Tue 22-Sep-09 09:14:01

But you do wonder how many countries these people go through before getting to England - that are not affected by war - why not stay in holland, germany, france - why get the ferry over here? [genuine question]

MmeLindt Tue 22-Sep-09 09:16:27

Lifeinagoldfishbowl
The same question is posed in Germany. Why do the immigrants come to Germany instead of staying in France/Italy/Spain.

Perhaps they have relatives in UK, perhaps they have been told that the British treat immigrants better than elsewhere.

Grumpyoldcaaaaaaaa Tue 22-Sep-09 09:18:42

Because Brits are so compassionate hmm

<genuinely depressed by inhumanity emoticon>

That's not aimed at you, lifeinagoldfisbowl smile, just at life in general that leaves these people no other choice.

HeadFairy Tue 22-Sep-09 09:20:37

MmeLindt is right in that many have family already here, but also we're only getting half the story here. Italy has a huge problem with illegal immigrants, as does France and Spain with immigrants coming from North Africa. It's a problem across Europe. Italy took far more immigrants last year than the UK, but we don't get that news here. That's why I think we need a Europe wide solution.

2shoes Tue 22-Sep-09 09:20:45

I really should have learnt(I have been on mn for 3 yrs) that if you don't get your point right in the op you have had it.
unless I have missed some thing FRANCE is not a war torn country, that is where these people are.

Elenio Tue 22-Sep-09 09:21:24

Erm....They are in France at the moment not in Afghanistan.

I understood that as refugees they are supposed to claim refuge in the first country that they enter?

It is a really horrible situation. They have obviously fled something terrible and are trying to establish a better life for themselves and their families. As Headfairy pointed out imagine what they have fled to prefer living in the conditions that they currently are.

I think what France is doing at the moment is despicable. These are desperate people and i do not thing that any of us can imagine the position that they are in and what they have seen. They need help.

After reading the comments from the daily mail readers i am not sure who should be more ashamed - them or the French government.

2shoes Tue 22-Sep-09 09:21:31

By HeadFairy on Tue 22-Sep-09 09:20:37
your post explains it better to me, thanks

saggarmakersbottomknocker Tue 22-Sep-09 09:22:26

I think 2shoes was making the point that once they were in France they were safe and that France wasn't a country they needed to flee from.

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