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Post here if you support what Harriet Harman said this week:

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dittany Sun 09-Aug-09 16:28:42

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FluffyBunnyGoneBad Sun 09-Aug-09 16:31:50

I do support this but the cynic in me thinks this is a very odd time to be rallying the girls for support. She's up to something. wink

dittany Sun 09-Aug-09 16:42:11

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WideWebWitch Sun 09-Aug-09 16:42:47

Absolutely. Good article in The Observer today on this.

LeninGrad Sun 09-Aug-09 16:43:12

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WideWebWitch Sun 09-Aug-09 16:44:09

here

smallwhitecat Sun 09-Aug-09 17:59:57

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edam Sun 09-Aug-09 18:04:28

Yes, well done HH.

wahwah Sun 09-Aug-09 18:54:22

I support Harriet.

theyoungvisiter Sun 09-Aug-09 20:05:04

yay harriet (shakes feminist pom poms)

Itsjustafleshwound Sun 09-Aug-09 20:07:34

Perhaps she should not just narrow it down to a male/female thing and look at the fact that there have been very few African and Asian people in any position of power ... in the boardrooms and in the HOP

K999 Sun 09-Aug-09 20:09:57

I dont get the whole feminist thing tbh...never have....I know loads of women in top jobs, successful etc....dont understand why women always feel so hard done by..

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight Sun 09-Aug-09 20:11:46

I love Harriet. HH for PM

WideWebWitch Sun 09-Aug-09 20:12:27

So does the lack of response to this thread mean:

a) nobody cares?
b) nobody on MN cares?

Gosh, do people really think all the battles have been fought and won?

And why was the stuff about Lehmans daft? Apparently the most senior man in Lehmans would brook no opposition - people in his organisation were afraid to tell him what they thought because he didn't want to hear it. And we all know he didn't make good decisions, with big consequences.

I do think it's completely fair enoguh to say come on, rape conviction rates are pathetically low. And look! there aren't many senior women in business, something wrong here.

fishie Sun 09-Aug-09 20:20:33

harriet harman and dittany are both very good examples of the kind of old fashioned outspoken feminism which scares younger women.

i don't know why - i am an older non-scared type myself - but it is the thing that makes them say "ooh no i'm not a feminist" while expecting full equality + mainstream pornography <sweeping judgement>.

WideWebWitch Sun 09-Aug-09 20:23:48

Fishie, why does it scare younger women do you think?

fishie Sun 09-Aug-09 20:28:11

lingering daily mail perception of man haters?

i should think hairy legs and armpits is another big factor (back to mainstream pornography and body hair).

i am curious as to why it is fashionable for men to have full beards.

oneopinionatedmother Sun 09-Aug-09 20:29:59

rape convictions are pathetically low, thouh i think the press hasn't helped this by encouraging the idea that women allegingrape are likely to lie. Possibly the application of the law should be looked at, rather than tinkering with the existing statute.

I think it is harder to say that the current financial difficulties wouldn't have been arrived at with ladies in control. Though no doubt there should be more women in the boardrooms, and more women in parliament.

Also, as for her comments about men in power - that was a bit daft. simple fact is that give or take the occasional women, most governance good bad or indifferent has been done by men - lets change that - not allege that men can't govern when that's obviously nonsense.

@K999 women are still paid less than men - even childless women are paid less than men. why this is....well maybe its due to things like aspiration and a genereal societal attitude that needs to change,rather than anything readily addressed by legislation. Women are hard done by....though yes whingeing isn't useful.

isn't this thread just taking traffic from the 'feminism gone nuts' thread wickedwaterwitch?

dittany Sun 09-Aug-09 20:30:09

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Portofino Sun 09-Aug-09 20:31:33

I don't agree with positive discrimination per se. Once the rules are set down and no one can legally be discriminated against on grounds of colour, sex or age, it should always be the BEST person for the job. You gets out what you puts in......

dittany Sun 09-Aug-09 20:35:20

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pinkteddy Sun 09-Aug-09 20:45:04

I think Harriet Harman is great, and it really gets my goat how she gets so derided in the press.

There was an interesting article in the times about feminism last week when feminism went nuts, writer says that feminism has never had it so bad, Britain is riven with a porn culture and a generation is in thrall to a sexist agenda.

More than 25,000 users of Bebo, the social networking site, use “slut” in their usernames, according to research by Dr Jessica Ringrose, an educational academic. “Hi I’m Daniella And I Like It Up The Bum” is typical of the taglines she came across among girls as young as 13.

Portofino Sun 09-Aug-09 20:45:35

What do you do though, apart from more efforts to enforce the legislation. If you insist say, on women getting certain jobs, you piss people off, then this has a knock on effect. It is NOT equality.

pinkteddy Sun 09-Aug-09 20:47:37

just noticed in www's post that there was a feminism gone nuts thread! Can someone do a link?

Portofino Sun 09-Aug-09 20:54:41

That was more along the lines that it is "feminist" to be a glamour model or lap dancer, as us girls can do what ever we like these days....hmm

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