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Liz Jones, yes her again, on wearing the burka

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cocolepew Sun 09-Aug-09 13:15:26

here

cocolepew Sun 09-Aug-09 13:17:28

Maybe it should b a burka hmm

cocolepew Sun 09-Aug-09 13:17:50

be

alexpolismum Sun 09-Aug-09 13:59:32

all we really learn from her article is that Liz Jones personally felt uncomfortable wearing a burka. I probably would too, just as I feel uncomfortable wearing a bikini and sitting on a beach. So I don't wear them, and if Ms Jones doesn't like it she is not obliged to wear it either.

I don't really see how it relates to the women flogged for wearing trousers. There are plenty of passages in the Koran that relate to women, but none of them say "O believers! Women should not wear trousers! Flog them if they do!"

The punishment is based on what many would say is a shaky interpretation of the Koran; the burka is not a requirement in Islam.

KingRolo Sun 09-Aug-09 15:20:50

What journalistic endeavour!

blinks Sun 09-Aug-09 15:27:17

a think a burka should be forcibly put on her giant head to cover the monstrosity she calls a hairdo.

cornsillk Sun 09-Aug-09 15:46:24

'An Arab man shouted abuse. I have no idea what he was saying '

So how did she know that he actually was shouting abuse?

sarah293 Sun 09-Aug-09 16:10:55

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StewieGriffinsMom Sun 09-Aug-09 17:00:25

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TwoIfBySea Sun 09-Aug-09 19:40:05

I saw her on Sky News this morning, she looked...stringy.

Waffled on about nonsense, mentioned feminism in some unrelated way, slagged off motherhood again. Same old same old.

BitOfFun Sun 09-Aug-09 19:50:10

I think that's the best article I've seen her write, tbh. Funny how she can still mention her pets and expensive lunch though!

sarah293 Mon 10-Aug-09 08:22:23

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sherazade Mon 10-Aug-09 13:00:14

she knows how they feel. why doesn't she get off her high horse and ask them. why don't these fecking journalists ask regular mainstream muslim women how they feel about covering . we can talk you know.

ihavenewsockson Mon 10-Aug-09 13:19:37

How do you feel about it Sherazade?
(genuine question- not a journo!)

sarah293 Mon 10-Aug-09 13:58:23

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tallulahbelly Mon 10-Aug-09 15:03:49

Liz Jones should be forced to wear Primark and flogged if she ever wears anything else.

Actually, can she just be flogged anyway, whatever she's wearing?

sarah293 Mon 10-Aug-09 15:06:17

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sherazade Mon 10-Aug-09 19:44:16

ihavenewsockson- gosh there was a long thread about this a few weeks back. I wear the 'hijab'- headscarf with long lose clothing, usually maxi skirts/dresses and a cardi or over shirt, but sometimes i wear the long black abaya (robe) and I have worn the full face veil before (purely for experimental reasons).

At school I was bullied terribly for wearing the headscarf but being the rebel I am , didn't want to stop wearing it just to conform, I hated the kids who bullied me but not the hijab itself. I love covering and mainly do it because I feel it is a religious obligation but because I love my religion and am passionate about Islam I feel good about wearing the hijab. I can't imagine wearing it as a non muslim and thinking 'oh this is great'. Sometimes I wear the abaya because I find it more convenient, I usually just wear leggings and a smock underneath the abaya on hot days, and a light headwrap, i actually find it more comfortable than wearing layers of normal clothing, and easy to just throw on.
I don't obviously cover 24/7, in the presence of women and male relatives /at home I'm usually in cropped pants and vests. Because of the way the hijab operates, our socialising is generally more female orientated so I'm not constantly in the hijab as some people would think. I did wear the face veil a couple of years back . I know that people in non muslim countries feel uncomfortable with fully veiled ladies and thats why I don't really recommend it, I'd rather not create too many unnecessary barriers . I certainly don't feel ostracised or anything silly like that, i've heaps of non muslim friends and they all know that when they come round with their dc's for tea i'm not going to be fully veiled, took them some getting used to!

the school i used to go to is now full of hijab wearing girls and its no longer seen as bizarre and i can imagine less racial bullying going on as a result. I did come out of school with alot of respect for myself though and in year 11 when i was the target of a physical assault in school because of the hijab the whole school (obviously bar the culprits) took to my defence and in fact the bullies were ostracised and eventually left.

sherazade Mon 10-Aug-09 19:54:15

riven don't get me started on sunburn, i'm nursing my wounds as we speak! you know i'd never thought of using the niqab to protect oneself from the sun .. too late now!

StayFrosty Mon 10-Aug-09 19:57:41

Eww. How unedifying, seeing this woman who hates her own body so much she has had surgery to lop off her breasts, who has wrote about the physical disgust she feels about the marks of motherhood on other women's bodies, who spends her days going hungry deliberately, getting all sanctimonious about other people's oppression and control of women. But then LJ is nothing if not completely and utterly lacking in self awareness.

pofacedandproud Mon 10-Aug-09 20:00:54

'I know now exactly how they feel: marginalised, objectified, kept box-fresh for the eyes of male relatives.'

How utterly patronising and colonial. She has absolutely no idea how they feel. As Sherazade said, if you want to know how they feel, er, ask them.

The woman is a parody of herself.

hairymelons Mon 10-Aug-09 20:39:31

I've actually never read an article by Liz Jones before. Wish I hadn't read this one.
What exactly was the point of this experiment? So that she could feel better about having a go at women for wearing a veil/ burqa/ niqab in an underhand and thinly-veiled-racism kind of a way? To make it ok to criticise others for daring to be different and, um, dressing all foreign like by disguising it as concern?
Like I say, I've never come across her before so maybe I've got it wrong but strikes me as a total pile of badly researched, ill (if at all) thought-out shit!

KingRolo Mon 10-Aug-09 20:41:49

This week, Liz Jones has been mostly wearing shoe-boots.

Who is paying this woman to write such absolute toss?

Next week...

Liz Jones: My Week Wearing a Snood - Just a few yards of wool but it felt like a prison being a member of Wham.

KingRolo Mon 10-Aug-09 20:44:03

PMSL at this though

"The Swarovski crystal-embellished pair from Versace cost a staggering £1,30".

So perhaps she doesn't get paid that much after all?

laumiere Mon 10-Aug-09 21:37:19

I just posted to that thread on the Mail (it probably won't be published):

" a burka makes you clumsy, slow, fearful because you can’t hear, and helpless; I spent most of the week feeling like a disabled person."
Wow, well done Liz, in one sentence you managed to insult people who follow Islam AND people with physical impairments, bravo!

On the plus side at least you can stop feeling insecure about your figure.

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