DM Article - being anti-wife-beating is dangerous feminism

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

"Pupils as young as five will be taught about the evils of 'wife beating' and the need to form healthy relationships.

The lessons are part of a controversial drive, unveiled today, to reduce violence against women and young girls.

They will include teaching boys that they must not beat their partners or any other female.

Last night, critics warned that ministers are cramming the already over-stuffed National Curriculum with lessons that should be taught in the home or in the community."

Here

Sorry for linking to the Hate Mail, but followed a tweeted link and was so appalled I'm actually in the process of commenting on their website - once I've breathed in and out a few times...

As the comments include: "This is the reason this country is in the state that it is.
Because of feminism... This woman is an idiot, can she not realise it is people like her have broke-up the family unit . children have no respect for their famillies or other people, and girls are the worst these days for violence.

Now can we please remove this lot freaks with their so-called ideology NOW and give this country back to the people of this land.

• Lydia, manchester uk, 05/8/2009 09:20"

Maybe some of you would like to join me?

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

Oy! Over here!

[morocco]

that'll teach you for picking up the daily rant

yep, also clocked the 'feminism' link - give women equal rights and look what happens. daily rant seems particularly obsessed with women getting uppity in todays paper. good to see important article about pressure cookers on page 3 in any case, for all the 'good girlies' who stay at home and obsess about cooking instead of ruling the world. {tongue in cheek emoticon, which we really need to get}

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

You've been reading the rest of the 'paper'?

[wahwahwah]

Surely beating anyone should be a no-no for 5 year olds.

'Lydia' is probably some 50 yeard old male BNP supporter. Probably a virgin too.

[morocco]

lol - yeah, only thing left on the table at lunchtime today - wonder why that was then
always good for a laugh in any case

[atlantis]

Well personally I wish Harriet Harman would just vanish into thin air never to be seen again..oh wait the wish should be granted at the next election.

She is the worst advertisment for femanism I have ever hear, bring back GG at least she likes men.

Hatty, it seems has her eye set on the 'leader of the labour party's' job,( not prime minister as that will be impossible after the next election ) hence her very stupid notion that the top two jobs in the labour party should go to a man and a woman and not who's the best for the role, and why would she declare this? Well because there's no other female placed to take on that role but her of course.

So while she's been playing at prime minister while old Gordo is away on his hols she has been coming up with all sorts of stupidities to try to rally the woman's vote, but real woman are as appaulled by her as men are.

Now I class myself as a femanist and always have, I don't consider having a man around such a good idea (they are more trouble than their worth ) and what I want I can get for myself (and have done very nicely over the years) but to say someone should be leapfrogged over someone of lesser ability just because their reproductive organs are on the inside is as distasteful to me as the other way round.

Promote people on worth not gender.

Now as for the feminism classes in schools five years old is too young to teach little boys and girls about daddies beating mummies especially when most of these children live in very happy homes.

There are safeguards in schools for helping children who witness DV and these things are picked up on in most cases, scaring the bejesus out of the rest of the children is NOT the way to go.

Schools are there to teach the core subjects, especially at that age group and the fact that they aren't doing that because they are teaching a load of old codswallop is proof in itself that we need to get back to basics in this country not throw on another load of old tosh into the agenda.

Maybe then a lot of us would not have to home school our children and work nights to give them a decent education in the basic fundermentals.

Hatty, is quite frankly off her trolley and someone needs to get her into a padded cell before she does anymore damage to this country and it's families.

[Jazzicatz]

I teach about domestic violence and the rubbish spouted in this article makes my blood boil. The only way domestic violence will be tackled is through a change in the way violence and aggresion towards women and children is viewed and accepted throughout society. This has to start at a young age before children are indoctrinated into the view that women are second class citizens.

May I also say atlantis that feminism is not about hating men - it is that view that has turned the word feminsm into a pejorative!

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

Firstly atlantis, I don't think that decrying the classes because of Harman's history is fair or desirable.

Secondly - do you really believe that 'most cases' of DV in the home are picked up by the school? On what do you base this?

Thirdly, do you really think that 5 year olds will be taught about wife-beating per se? Or do you think that it might just be phrased as 'this is how mummies and daddies can live and work together as a couple'?

Oh, and is spelling one of your 'fundermental's?

[atlantis]

I never said femanism was about hating men ?

[atlantis]

Actually PerArduaAdNauseum I am dyslexic and not anal enough to have to spell check everything I write, but good for you for pointing that out if that's what helps you sleep at night you go right ahead and worry about other peoples spelling mistakes.

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

Why thank you - I will

[atlantis]

As for Harman's history as you put it I wonder how a woman who was working to support the rights of PIE was allowed to get to the position she is in now and looking at some of her policies I can see why 'certain' people do not want her getting into the top position.

But then looking at the Labour record on kiddie fiddlers it's hardly surprising I suppose.

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

[RustyBear]

Has anybody actually specifically said the lessons will be given from the age of 5? Or is it just the DM's unique talent for basing sensational headlines on unwarranted assumptions: "The lessons will be part of the National Curriculum and are likely to be taught in Personal, Social and Health Education classes, which are attended by children from the age of five." There's an awful lot in the PSHCE curriculum which doesn't get taught to five year olds.

[Greensleeves]

"kiddie fiddlers"

you're sick as well as bigoted

[atlantis]

Greensleeves.

Explain please?

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

Good point Rusty. But I suppose it's shocking enough to the DM that teachers will be allowed to talk about it...

Gah! The sheer idiocy! "Margaret Morrissey, of family lobby group ParentsOutloud, said that PSHE classes were in danger of being 'hijacked by pressure groups'.

She added: 'I do not really want my youngster to be indoctrinated with these things.

'There will always be those who want to cram our school curriculum with social issues that need to be taught by parents and society.'"

Doesn't she realise that plenty of children are already being taught about DV by their parents and in the worst way?

[Greensleeves]

it's a very offensive and nasty term, particularly on a parenting website

and your posts are poorly argued, poorly expressed, agressive and generally very unpleasant.

I sometimes wonder who the people are who post these insane comments on news websites - I know now

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

Greensleeves - I was wondering if Lydia from Manchester had joined us But am trying not to respond to her...

[Greensleeves]

I agree with you PerArdua - I would have no problem with my children being taught about this aspect of human rights and encouraged to make balanced healthy relationships. Surely it IS the place of educators to reinforce these ideas? Schools are part of society too and they have a powerful opportunity to counteract the constant subliminal and background indoctrination our children receive via the media and mass culture. Stupid not to have a policy of using that opportunity for the good.IMO.

[atlantis]

Greensleves,

it's not a very offensive term to most sane people, but then most sane people do not stand up for the rights of the KF, unlike you and Harriet i'm guessing.

As for it being a 'parenting website' I have read more swear words on here than any other site I am on, and found it hard to believe there was no swear monitor software.

It is though for PARENTS, not children, but what would you rather me called the likes of Harman's pet projects? ' those poor misunderstood folk who have an unnatural attraction to children' ?

[Greensleeves]

me and Harriet?

you are barking

and do you really think most people find that term acceptable? Really?

Oh, yes - you're barking

[atlantis]

PerArduaAdNauseum ,

I couldn't possibly live in Manchester I don't vote for the laboured party.

[RedDeadFail]

Aww Greeny, are you painting a 'save the peedos kiddie fiddlers' placard you being an apparently insane KF rights defender?

Atlantis, you are frightening me.

[atlantis]

Woof,

And yes, most people do find that term acceptable, why? Because it does not sugar coat what they do, you call a murderer a murderer and yet polite society tags on a name to what these animals do to somehow sweep it under the carpet, the poor misunderstood dears.