dh thinks that by the end of today he would be gone. There are hours left, but I still don't see him going....

[Jux]

He has resilience you see. (That's what he says anyway )

[noddyholder]

He has to go.the rest of them are making him look an arse which admittedly isn't hard but nonetheless the longer it goes on the worse for him I think.He was never voted in what does he expect He doesn't have any real followers

[Jux]

He ain't going to. He thinks he is the only leader who can get this Govt through these difficult times. He really does believe that. His idea of reality is really really weird but he's PM and I don't know how he can be persuaded to go of his own accord; it's really not possible.

He's going to have to be kicked out, but no one's brave enough to do it. That's why he's (almost) right, that he's the only one worthy of the job.

[stoppinattwo]

lol...for a minute ther jux i thought you were gordon browns wifey

[morningpaper]

I feel really sorry for him - he's quite brilliant, and has spent most of his life waiting for this job, and then Blair holds onto it until it's all going up the swanny and then hands him everything that's gone arse over tip... it must be SOOOOOO annoying after spending 10 years thinking "I could do that better..."

[LyraSilvertongue]

He won't go today.

[Jux]

What a thought! Can you imagine conversing over the marmalade with him? I think I'd scream and run faced with something like that first thing!

[edam]

He did have an awful lot of followers in the Labour party but not sure there are many now. Local elections are a bloodbath, and European are going to be even worse.

All those rats who jumped off the HMS Brown even before the local elections made things so much worse for the ordinary party members who have been slogging around the streets, taking all the knocks from canvassing in a hostile climate.

[edam]

(Apparently he's quite human in person, just comes across really badly in the media. Still not sure I'd want to see him over breakfast, though.)

[LyraSilvertongue]

Jux, you think that's bad? Did you see the thread yesterday where GB and cunnilingus were mentioned in the same sentence?!!!

[LyraSilvertongue]

Edam, he's lovely in person, in an old-mannish way.

[Jux]

He will not go. From his own point of view he really really is the only one strong enough to carry the country through these difficult times.

I half agree with you morningpaper. Unfortunately, the first thing he tried to do - the thing which would have revolusionised politics and probably was going to underpin all his other plans - was met with total incomprehension and resistance by everyone else. If his idea of all-party advisory stuff, then I think his PMship would have been very very different.

[Jux]

He was Chancellor for 10 years. How can he not have some responsibility for the financial melt-down that occurs almost as soon as he becomes PM?

[mrsruffallo]

I hope he doesn't go. I would still vote for him. I admire him!
See my earlier thread

[Upwind]

Flint has gone

If GB is genuine, he is seriously deluded and was out of his depth as chancellor

failing to notice the credit bubble and all that

[edam]

Lyra - I've not met him recently but vaguely remember being surprised at how human he was. Everyone I've ever come across who knows him says the same thing, about how lovely he is as a private individual. So why does he do that awful gurning instead of smiling on camera?

[LyraSilvertongue]

Someone must have mentioned the gurning thing to him. So why does he still do it?

[Jux]

Well, I will never forget that as Chancellor he gave me financial independence through Child Tax Credits. I was never so grateful for anything in my life. So I do actually like him; but I am constantly being drowned in the other point of view, by dh who rants and raves and HATES him (I suspect for the same reason but dh has forgotten it).

[LyraSilvertongue]

I still think he could be a great leader if only everyone would lay off giving him a kicking.

[LaurieFairyCake]

He's brilliant and I've decided only thick people hate Gordon Brown because whenever I've had a proper discussion with anyone who 'hates' him they've always had the most spurious ridiculous reasons.

[EachPeachPearMum]

They are dropping like flies....

[FabulousBakerGirl]

Flint has gone? Hours ago she was stating her position to stay.

I remember him breaking off from his holiday to sort out the foot and mouth crisis and there was something else he did that I thought was much better than Blair but now I think he is being shafted and undermined by people wanting to make a name for themselves.

[Jux]

I don't think he's got time to be a great leader now, Lyra.

[Jux]

Caroline Flint was always, er, unreliable.

[LyraSilvertongue]

No, too busy defending himself.