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Abuse by pupils led to builder's suicide

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JoolsToo Fri 29-Apr-05 11:51:17


Hulababy Fri 29-Apr-05 11:57:58

I hope that the boys may learn something from this horrible tragedy, but I suspect not

Potty1 Fri 29-Apr-05 12:04:13

Mmmmm just wondering what their punishment was?

lockets Fri 29-Apr-05 12:06:52

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psychomum5 Fri 29-Apr-05 12:07:44

OOh, they've been 'disciplined' tho, so that makes it alright.........

My husband is a builder and he often comes home and says how bloody ignorent some teens are, and not only teens in fact, some are as young as ten.

If any of my sons behaved so disrespectivly to someone, and that person gave them a 'clout' (and I mean that in the way of how they used to treat wayward teens years boxed his ears..etc), then I would turn round and say that he probably deserved it and I hope it teaches him a lesson. The reason half these youths behave like this is because they are taught no respect, or probably not even shown any respect in the first place!!!!

God, this makes me fume

FIMAC1 Fri 29-Apr-05 12:27:16

I always remember when I was at Senior school in the 70's, there was one lad who always was in trouble in some way or other. Apparently at one Parents evening his parents told the school that if ever he was in trouble and had to have the cane or detention, whatever, could the school give him a double caning - one from them too, as they said that if he was in trouble and needed punishment, then he obviously deserved it - can you imagine that happening these days?

It was the talk of the school even then

NomDePlume Fri 29-Apr-05 12:30:55

It is really sad, but I can't but think 'WTF?!' when I read that the guy hanged himself. I'm sure the kids were little shites and whatnot, but to hang yourself because some gobby little gits reported you for assualt is a bit much, IMHO.

NomDePlume Fri 29-Apr-05 12:31:24

can't help but think

snafu Fri 29-Apr-05 12:31:51

Agree, ndp. Appalling behaviour from the kids for sure, but I read it and thought 'there's more to this'.

Gobbledigook Fri 29-Apr-05 12:32:45

'Sir sir he assaulted us' - no wonder teachers live in fear - kids know exactly what you can do and not do and they bloody exploit it too - little shits.

NomDePlume Fri 29-Apr-05 12:32:49

phew, thought I might be a lone voice with that one, Snafu !

psychomum5 Fri 29-Apr-05 12:33:35

God, you're right, imagine that happening nowadays!!!!

Would'nt happen tho........all the kiddies who behaved so appallingly have parents who have no respect for authority either and are quick to threaten anyone who does try to discipline their 'oh so perfect' child.

snafu Fri 29-Apr-05 12:33:49

(Actually, I read it when JT first posted it half an hour ago but was too scared to say anything!! )

Gobbledigook Fri 29-Apr-05 12:34:48

Oh I agree NDP - can't really imagine someone hanging themselves because of this. Would imagine there was more going on to drive him to this..

FIMAC1 Fri 29-Apr-05 12:36:15

Shouldn't have added that smiley to that last post, sorry

It is a sad indicment of todays standards when a good old clip round the ear leads to an arrest and the tragic events that followed this one, his poor family....

Hulababy Fri 29-Apr-05 12:37:13

There will be more - but it is probably to do with the fact that this has gone on and on, maybe his career is at risk, then fears loss of home, etc. It all escalades doesn't it. He was probably very worried about this risk of going to court and being found guilty of assault - a criminal record, maybe imprisonment...all this would be in his head.

Doesn't stop the fact that these kids have ruin lives.

psychomum5 Fri 29-Apr-05 12:37:51

Hanging himself is extreme, but he may be so ashamed by how the outcome may turn out that he just couldn't think straight. People hang themselves for less.

Suicide is extreme in any it for debt, bullying, even depression, but from what I have read about it, once you get it into your head, people can't think around it and think it is their only choice.

NomDePlume Fri 29-Apr-05 12:38:09

Another possibly contraversial opinion here but...... I'd be bloody furious with DH if he topped himself after something so (seemingly) trivial (in the grand scheme).

psychomum5 Fri 29-Apr-05 12:41:35

Some very good friends of ours recently went thro this type of thing......the husband was so much in debt he couldn't think of a way out and so attempted suicide. He was found tho, but he has been left with major organ problems as by the time he was found he had been fitting for a while and was close to going.

His wife is so so angry, and told him how selfish he was. I don't think it extreme to be angry......I would be furious!!!!!

JoolsToo Fri 29-Apr-05 17:53:21

Interesting comments - I thought it was rather OTT for the Head to call the police in over this!

I'm only speculating but some people would be horrified by getting into trouble with the police and feel quite ashamed at the thought of being prosecuted but I suppose you have to wonder if he had other problems.

There again, you get kids commiting suicide over bullying and adults over being in debt - so who's to say?

suedonim Fri 29-Apr-05 21:03:05

What a sad event - poor man. Who knows what went through his mind? What's gone wrong in society that we can't curtail these louts? There's an awful report in our local rag this week of a group of 16/17/18yo's terrorising people, including children, attending an event at a village hall, throwing cans of lager at them, swearing, threatening violence and so on. They also stood in the middle of the road and stopped the buses, threw things at them, banged on the windows and verbally abused the drivers and the passengers. The police were in attendance but did nothing to stop it. This group has been waging a campaign for weeks now, throwing paint over cars, smashing windows, intimidating people etc. Surelytogod something can be done?

MarsLady Fri 29-Apr-05 21:11:07

I have to say that I think we have given children too much power and they just don't know how to use it wisely. All they do is abuse it.

expatinscotland Fri 29-Apr-05 21:12:48

When are people going to start getting serious on punishing thugs - even if they're just 'children'?

essbee Fri 29-Apr-05 21:14:12

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compo Fri 29-Apr-05 21:15:34

agree with Essbee. Also we don't know what the punishment was so can't really argue with it

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