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The father of Elizabeth Cooke has been charged with manslaughter

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wannaBe Wed 23-Jul-08 22:15:21


Not sure what to think about this.

On the one hand I wonder what purpose can be served by bringing charges when he has already paid the ultimate price for his irresponsible actions.

But on the other what he did was irresponsible, and stupid, and maybe it's right that he should be made to take responsibility.

cafebistro Wed 23-Jul-08 22:22:31

Ive just read the headline. What is the full story? not living in UK at the moment.

LyraSilvertongue Wed 23-Jul-08 22:28:31

I can't see what can be gained from prosecuting the grieving father.

Quattrocento Wed 23-Jul-08 22:33:20

I remember the story vaguely - wasn't the child on a quadbike on the road when it was not legal to do so?

In reality, the law is too inconsistently applied on these issues. There have been many high profile cases of parents breaking local laws with pretty dire consequences (for instance the McCanns) who have not been charged.

It's every parent's worst nightmare. Would it not have been better left there?

cafebistro Wed 23-Jul-08 22:36:09

Im sure nothing can make him feel any worse than he does already

differentID Wed 23-Jul-08 22:37:47

Is he being made an example of?

BreeVanderCampLGJ Wed 23-Jul-08 22:38:58

Difficult one. My money is on court case and lenient sentence.

ilovemydog Wed 23-Jul-08 22:46:23

But what's the alternative? If he wasn't prosecuted, then this wouldn't be right either.

Am sure he's feeling dreadful, but issues such as remorse will be addressed at trial.

Poor man, but poor little girl, more importantly!

Wasn't it a Christmas present?

jimjamshaslefttheyurt Wed 23-Jul-08 22:52:15

there was this case too where the father has been charged

DoubleBluff Wed 23-Jul-08 22:55:54

because he was negligent.
He has paid the price, but there are laws in the land, that have to be abided by.
He put his child at risk.

differentID Wed 23-Jul-08 22:56:36

The thing is that the law is the law. He broke the law and although he lost his daughter, it was as a result of his own bad judgement and illegal actions.
Maybe it will make people think before doing things this stupid and pleading ignorance of the law.

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jul-08 10:59:50

I would imagine that he will be given a lenient sentence, after all, he can't be suffering more than he is now.

I have a 7 year old DS and I can't imagine letting him go on a quad bike at all, never mind letting him loose with one on a road.

bossybritches Thu 24-Jul-08 11:02:54

Hope to god they don't lock him up- he was stupid beyond belief but he will go on serving a sentence for that for the rest of his life, his family don't need further punishment.Our prisons are already overcrowded enough, save the cell for someone who REALLY need locking up.

bossybritches Thu 24-Jul-08 11:02:59

Hope to god they don't lock him up- he was stupid beyond belief but he will go on serving a sentence for that for the rest of his life, his family don't need further punishment.Our prisons are already overcrowded enough, save the cell for someone who REALLY need locking up.

bossybritches Thu 24-Jul-08 11:04:46

oopsblush sorry

Blu Thu 24-Jul-08 11:13:02

The law can't be simply ignored and over-ridden because of emotional feelings, though.
The law provides legal protection in addition to the feelings we have for our children.
If his illegal action had led to the death of someone else's child everyone would want him prosecuted - the law relates to the action, not the result - otherwise it would be a system based on vengeance.

But I agree that the punishment - if he is found guilty, and he may not be - should reflect his remorse and the torment he and the family must already endure.

Poor girl, poor family, poor man.

HonoriaGlossop Thu 24-Jul-08 11:19:05

Agree with you, Blu

findtheriver Thu 24-Jul-08 13:17:56

Agree Blu that the law needs to be upheld; it can't simply be ignored because of the emotional suffering of the father. He acted unlawfully. It's also worth remembering there is another victim here - the driver of the car involved. I remember at the time reading that the child was hit by a woman driving another vehicle. This woman did nothing wrong but has had to suffer the trauma of a police investigation and now has to live her life in the knowledge that through the stupidity of another person's actions, she was involved in the death of a child.

Hulababy Thu 24-Jul-08 13:19:42

Agree with Blu

HonoriaGlossop Thu 24-Jul-08 13:38:06

findtheriver that's so true. How must that woman feel sad

Upwind Thu 24-Jul-08 13:42:21

Indeed Blu, but I hate the thought of the poor man going through a trial. Everyone occasionally does stupid things - not that exact thing, but still...

I also like to think that if I was driving the SUV that night, I would pay enough attention to my driving to avoid such a collision. Though of course that is just speculation.

cmotdibbler Thu 24-Jul-08 13:44:23

Children have a right to be protected by their parents, and when they die because their parents fail to obey the laws (which are there to protect the child), they deserve to be punished.

HonoriaGlossop Thu 24-Jul-08 13:47:35

I think it is so difficult Upwind but surely if the woman was at fault at all, she would have been charged with death by dangerous driving or at least driving without due care and attention? They will have looked at this in minute detail so I think we're safe to assume they have prosecuted the person at fault sad

Upwind Thu 24-Jul-08 13:55:15

True Honoria, but real life is rarely so simple, black and white, he was wrong whe was right.

The woman could argue that she did not expect the children to be driving right behind their Dad, but I think you have to go slowly enough on lanes like that to be ready in case you encounter someone on a bicycle or a horse (I have come accross both). And if you are alert and at an appropriate speed then you should notice something like those buggies up ahead...

It does not mean she should necessarily be charged with anything, of course.

TheFallenMadonna Thu 24-Jul-08 13:58:04

Upwind - I'm sure you would like to think that, but unfortunately sometimes no amount of attention to driving is enough to avoid an accident. I've been involved in an crash where I took action as soon as the incident happened, yet with reaction times and stopping distances, it just wasn't possible for my car to stop in time.

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