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'Bring Back National Service'.....Yay or Nay???

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tiredemma Mon 14-Jul-08 10:55:00

Just seen a news item on Sky where a 'Knife Tsar' is suggesting brining back National Service.

Brooke Kinsella (sis of murdered Ben Kinsella) suggested the same the other day.

I know very little about National Service so cannot comment on whether its a good thing or a bad thing.

What do you lot think????

tigana Mon 14-Jul-08 10:57:50

Definitely bad thing if compulsory.

fryalot Mon 14-Jul-08 10:58:49

nay

I think.

Possibly yay though

<<<sits on fence>>>

belgo Mon 14-Jul-08 11:00:26

Yes, but I think it should be done in the way to give young people the choice of either army service or serving the community in some way. I have a Spanish friend who instead of military service, drove a Red Cross Ambulance and had an amazing experience.

tiredemma Mon 14-Jul-08 11:01:38

That sounds like a good idea Belgo.

Im still on the fence about it- I can see both the good and bad.

tigana Mon 14-Jul-08 11:01:43

Oh, and if non-compulsory then waste of time as the buggars this is aimed at wouldn't do it anyway. In fact, they probably wouldn't do it even if it was compulsory. So, nay.
Why should ALL teenagers need to go through this when it is actually a very small minority who are nasty little arses?

LackaDAISYcal Mon 14-Jul-08 11:01:49

I say yay in principle, but not sure how it would work. Three years (as it used to be) is maybe too long.

Psychomum5 Mon 14-Jul-08 11:02:41

see......this is something that I am kind of 'for'.

I think that if a teen leaves school and does nothing for a year other than claim benefits of some kind, then they should be given a timeframe to find work/go into education or they have to go into the army.

not to fight, unless it is their choice, but to learn a trade that can benfit the army who are fighting IYGWIM.

if they do not want to go into the army, they have a choice......find a job or go into further education. it should not be compulsory unless they make no effort on their part.

if nothing else, for some teens it may in fact give them some much needed discipline for the first time in their lives!!!

tigana Mon 14-Jul-08 11:02:45

ooh, belgo, that sounds better...
a non-military national service...not so awful.

tiredemma Mon 14-Jul-08 11:03:07

Not that I talk to a lot of old men, But the few that I have chatted to who did NS in the fifties all said what a great experience it was.

McDreamy Mon 14-Jul-08 11:03:24

That's an interesting approach Belgo. I think nay however I do think the military have a lot to offer.

I certainly learnt a great deal from being in the military, both about myself, my actions and my community.

Ledodgy Mon 14-Jul-08 11:03:30

No way. Why should all the good teens out there possibly put their life at risk because some are bad.

southeastastra Mon 14-Jul-08 11:03:39

yes definitely, my dad loved it and thought it gave him a great grounding for life, he was in the engineers and had a lifetime career in carpentry.

also wouldn't it be good for some no hopers to finally have sometime to base their life on? there was a good caller on the Vanessa show on bbclondon that made a good case for it.

southeastastra Mon 14-Jul-08 11:04:56

def think it should be compulsory for offenders

McDreamy Mon 14-Jul-08 11:06:17

I like Psychomum's way of thinking, compulsory if you have made no attempt to do anything else on leaving school.

I agree why should all school leavers/young people have to serve if some have a direction in their life already.

belgo Mon 14-Jul-08 11:08:07

My dh was called up for military service in Belgium. He was able to postpone it because he was at university, and by the time he had finished, military service had been scrapped.

tiredemma Mon 14-Jul-08 11:08:56

Agree with your last sentence Mcdreamy. If a child already has plans for university/career etc then NS would be unfair. But for those lacking direction/discipline- what harm can be done?

Psychomum5 Mon 14-Jul-08 11:08:56

oh yes, compulsory for young offenders instead of prison, as prison kind of gives them a bad start completely then, instead of trying to give them a second chance. all young offenders deserve a second chance as it is sometimes not their fault....they get in with a bad crowd and crowd mentality is a bad bad thing.....leads to places they would not have gone on their own.

blushblusher Mon 14-Jul-08 11:09:04

No.

Nobody should be made to do something they don't want to do, unless its a punishment for something.

JumpingDizzy Mon 14-Jul-08 11:11:23

good idea for those who don't want to do anything else and are fit enough.

Callisto Mon 14-Jul-08 11:15:58

The armed forces will not want anything to do with this and as it will cost the Govt money it isn't going to happen anyway. I like the non-military national service option, but surely we (sort of) have this already with community service so why not expand community service so that anyone claiming unemployment benefit has to do 30 hours community service a week?

belgo Mon 14-Jul-08 11:25:35

I'm not so sure of the army being used as an alternative 'prison', I don't think the army would like that idea either.

southeastastra Mon 14-Jul-08 11:27:16

aren't they looking for people to send to the front line though? it's a good deterrent, caught with a knife go into the army.

the army bloke on the radio thought it was a great idea.

MumtoPhoebeboo Mon 14-Jul-08 11:28:56

I'd love National Service to be reintroduced for all young people. Whilst I can understand that some people think only criminals and jobless young people should be made to do it, I can't see how the experience wouldn't benefit a larger cross-section of society. I disagree strongly with the idea that "Nobody should be made to do something they don't want to do, unless its a punishment for something" and think that a lot of what's gone wrong with this country can be directly attributed to such an attitude.

There's no longer any sense of unquestioning respect for authority (teachers, police, magistrates, doctors etc) and society has become increasingly egocentric. The idea of introducing National Service, in order for individuals to be part of society and the bigger picture, rather than solely thinking of themselves, if very important IMO.

Flashman Mon 14-Jul-08 11:28:57

If we brought back National Service in the age of equal ops do we send all young females in to?

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