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Death cyclist fine angers family

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ChickenBurger Wed 09-Jul-08 07:46:58

This is so shocking.

Why would you ride straight into someone regardless as to whether you had right of way?

theSuburbanDryad Wed 09-Jul-08 07:54:56

That's insane. Why did he only get a fine - is it a loophole in the law or something?

Callisto Wed 09-Jul-08 08:18:03

I would be furious about this ruling - I think it is utterly ridiculous. He hit the girl so hard he killed her fgs. If he had been driving a car on the pavement he would have had a prison sentence. Can we lobby the Attorney General about this to get the sentence reviewed?

ChickenBurger Wed 09-Jul-08 08:24:06

Don't know Callisto, but sounds like a good idea to try to do something. It's so sad, the girl was only 17.

AtheneNoctua Wed 09-Jul-08 08:49:30

He should have been tried for manslaughter, or possibly murder. He killed her. sad

sarah293 Wed 09-Jul-08 08:55:39

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theSuburbanDryad Wed 09-Jul-08 09:03:22

At least drivers also get points on their license as well though Riven. And I think the law is in the process of being changed, isn't it?

Callisto Wed 09-Jul-08 09:08:36

It seems that the case needs to be tried by the CPS and that to complain we need the name of the defendant and prosecutor, the place and date, otherwise the AG has no remit to review the sentence.

AtheneNoctua Wed 09-Jul-08 09:08:41

"Howard had shouted at Rhiannon to 'move because I'm not stopping' before crashing into her. "

If a driver of a car did this then I would say he/she too should be charged with manslaughter/murder.

Callisto Wed 09-Jul-08 09:09:47

That should read if the case has not gone to the criminal courts ie CPS (I think) the AG has no remit to review the sentence. Hopefully someone will be along soon to explain it better than me.

sarah293 Wed 09-Jul-08 09:11:46

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MrsTittleMouse Wed 09-Jul-08 09:19:50

I think that a lot of judges (and people in general) think that cycling is inherently "dangerous" and therefore when someone is killed when they're cycling that it must have been an accident and a result of the dangerous nature of cycling. hmm Whereas if car drivers weren't so selfish and stupid, cycling wouldn't be so bloody dangerous. [anger] I have banned DH from cycling into work for a while as someone almost ploughed into him - he was going straight on at a junction and the car was turning left. The car drivers told DH "well I don't care anyway, if I hit you my car won't get a dent". angry

AtheneNoctua Wed 09-Jul-08 09:25:26

i take your point Riven, but that doesn't excuse this guy who intentionally ran into this girl and killed. I suppose one could argue that he didn't think running into her would kill her (which a car driver could not reasonable argue). But he did kill her, so at the very least it is manslaughter.

Car drivers too should be charged with manslaughter/murder. I agree. But it's not really the topic of this thread. And the lack of one being persued does not excuse the other from being persued.

cupsoftea Wed 09-Jul-08 09:43:37

he was on the pavement - he said he wasn't going to stop - he should be facing prison. Wonder what would have happened had this been a non white young man.

Callisto Wed 09-Jul-08 10:29:41

Exactly the same Cupsoftea hmm.

tiredemma Wed 09-Jul-08 10:31:02

cupsoftea - What on earth do you mean?

ChickenBurger Wed 09-Jul-08 10:31:48

This has just made me so, so mad. That someone should have so little respect for another human being that they would willingly cycle into them sad

Gizmo Wed 09-Jul-08 10:35:12

Reading the report I think he was on the road, cupsoftea.

Not that it makes much difference, tbh.

TeacherSaysSo Wed 09-Jul-08 10:38:23

If he was on the road it makes ALL the difference surely. These articles never tell you the whole story or it makes them less newsworthy.

Callisto Wed 09-Jul-08 10:42:14

The report I read said he was on the path.

sarah293 Wed 09-Jul-08 11:58:22

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cheesesarnie Wed 09-Jul-08 12:01:27

shocking and very sad.

edam Wed 09-Jul-08 12:04:26

Good grief. I agree, should have been manslaughter.

Gizmo Wed 09-Jul-08 12:06:38

It's very ambiguous reporting, but I've looked at it in a number of papers and I think the situation was that she was on the edge of the pavement or just stepped off, and he was on the road.

'He had been cycling on the road, but may have mounted the kerb at one point, his two-day trial at Aylesbury Magistrates Court heard.

He could have swerved to avoid the girl but told police he thought a shout would be enough to avoid the collision, the court heard.'

Anyway, it's not clear, and basically I don't think it makes much difference either way. If he had time to shout, he would have had time to brake. Frankly dangerous.

ChickenBurger Wed 09-Jul-08 12:18:59

"If he had time to shout, he would have had time to brake."


I'm sure he argued that he didn't intend to kill her but frankly I'm sick of this careless disregard for others. There have been a number of incidences where men have been punched and ended up cracking their heads on the pavement and subsequently died. As if it's ok to smack someone in the face, or ride a bike into them because you didn't think they would be likely to die.

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