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67 year old Romanian woman gives birth...!!!

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fuzzywuzzy Sun 16-Jan-05 15:07:27

Looks like it was for real here

jampots Sun 16-Jan-05 16:06:17

No thanks !

jofeb04 Sun 16-Jan-05 19:07:19

Yea, it was on the news tonight. I cant belive doctors care more about the money then the moral behind what they have done

biglips Sun 16-Jan-05 19:09:23

aloha Sun 16-Jan-05 19:09:44

I really feel for the poor baby. I think the doctor has no morals at all. Selfish, selfish, selfish.

essbee Sun 16-Jan-05 19:19:29

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Caligula Sun 16-Jan-05 23:01:39

The report says she claims she's had a new lease of life.

Just as well, because she'll need it. As will her baby need her to have it - not that the baby's needs have been considered here.

Willow2 Sun 16-Jan-05 23:24:46

I think this is sick.

aloha Sun 16-Jan-05 23:26:47

When this woman dies this child will have absolutely no relatives of any kind as she was born by donor egg AND donor sperm. This woman is single. Awful.

essbee Mon 17-Jan-05 02:44:24

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Chickyboo Mon 17-Jan-05 08:19:34

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

teabelly Mon 17-Jan-05 10:29:20

Had discussion about upper age limits at the weekend. I think this is wrong wrong wrong, for babe and mum. Nature can be cruel sometimes and medicine is wonderful at righting this wrong sometimes, but I firmly believe that if menopause has started and finished (and its not premature) then treatment of this kind should not be undertaken.

JanH Mon 17-Jan-05 10:41:08

DS1 (16) spotted her on my screen earlier and was shocked and horrified - "she'll be 86 when he's 20" (I liked the way he assumed it was a boy!) "in fact she'll probably be dead when he's 20!"

We went on to the fact that many young children have elderly fathers, and in fact a boy in his class at primary school has nephews and nieces much older than himself because his dad had remarried and is probably pushing 80 now.

So double standards here in a way - except for the fact that this is a complete donor baby, I didn't know that, aloha, what a selfish stupid woman, why was she allowed to do this? (Haven't read any of it yet.)

FineFigureFio Mon 17-Jan-05 10:46:42

I think this kind of article raise's very interesting points like:

Is a Mother more important than a Father?

<<ducks for cover>>

tribpot Mon 17-Jan-05 10:52:37

Yes, I thought about the double-standards angle as well, JanH. Apparently okay for Des O'Connor to have a baby (not literally!) aged 72, but on the other hand his wife is presumably somewhat younger (!) whereas this woman is single, so doesn't even have a sprightly young husband to help her out / be the parent who lives into the little girl's adulthood.

I would guess the baby (if she survives) will probably have a full-time nanny, but it seems highly bizarre and frankly a poor use of donor eggs and sperm in my view.

Caligula Mon 17-Jan-05 17:12:55

I wonder if the woman who donated her eggs would have been so willing to donate them if she knew they were being used for this purpose.

Also, I think it's ridiculous when old men have babies as well. So no double standards from me! And as for Des O'Connor... well, I'll just leave it there...

aloha Mon 17-Jan-05 17:16:24

My opinion is that you can't stop old men from fathering children with much younger women, but you can prevent geriatric single mothers from having children. Also, it's a fact of nature that the old men require a younger partner to have children so the child does have at least one parent that will very probably see them to maturity. This child does not. I think it's just revolting, tbh.

FineFigureFio Mon 17-Jan-05 17:24:27



tbh i do wonder why women would want children that late in life. i was thinking about it today and my own daughter will be 45 by the time i am 67!

Saying that i do feel sorry for the woman for losing one of her daughters

aloha Mon 17-Jan-05 17:27:35

She was originally carrying triplets!!

FineFigureFio Mon 17-Jan-05 17:28:16

omg

FineFigureFio Mon 17-Jan-05 17:33:31

I wonder at what age it becomes unacceptable? or contraversial?

My FIL mother had a child at 51 and another at 53(her 10th!) conceived naturally of course and my grans aunt apparently had one at 55.

wasnt the oldest woman to conceive naturally nearly 60? (must google!)

MamaMaiasaura Mon 17-Jan-05 23:17:43

Having been shot by arrows and jumped on by my exhuberant 4 year old I wonder what 'play' they will be able to enjoy. By the time the child is 4 she will be 70 and her body will be suffering the effects of ageing, arthritis, dementia, angina, emphysemia, the list goes on.

This is an ethical dilemma however surely, as has already been stated when the menopause has occured (and not prematurely) surely the body is signalling that pregancy should not occur.

There is a line between using medicine to benefit life and playing god. I have recently had to do essay on the ethical dilemmas in nursing practice and the four main prinicples includes beneficence, non malifinence, justice and autonomy. Whilst this has respected the mothers autonomy doesnt fail in terms of beneficence and therefore ethically questionable?

IMHO I believe that this woman should not have had this treatment but should have have counselling and therapy to help her come to terms with the fact that she was childless. Surely her time could have been given better to all those children without parents without creating another potential orphan?

MamaMaiasaura Mon 17-Jan-05 23:18:43

opps.. meant to read.. 'does fail in terms of beneficence'.. knew i should have previewed

Gwenick Mon 17-Jan-05 23:27:17

I don't agree with it

BUT - with regards to the health of the mother once the child is older

By the time I was 10 my mother had osteoarthritis in both knees, had been diagnosed with Parkinsons and was already becoming quite disabled. I'm now in my mid 20's and she's now unable to walk very far at all, and nowhere without 2 sticks, has just had to fork out over £1000 for a decent electric reclining chair.......but she's not old.

And what's more I'm not the only person I know who at a 'young' or 'normal' age to be a mother wasn' able to do the things that we expect our mothers to be able to do.

On the other hand - that women looked quite healthy - she's managed to cope while being pg and looks more able to look after children than my aunty (who's now 68) who looks after he grandchildren everyday while the mother works. I also know of a few 'grandmothers' who are brining their grandchildren up as their own as the mothers aren't there for the kids.

aloha Mon 17-Jan-05 23:39:30

I take your point about not knowing the future, but in this case she is extremely likely to be dead or ill well before the children become independent. My own mother is in her sixties, super-fit (much fitter than women half her age, professional dancer etc), physically strong, lots of patience etc, looks after ds two mornings a week BUT I still think she is far too old to have kids of her own. Also how do we know this Romanian mother 'coped' while being pg? She is alive but two of the triplets died and the surviving baby only weighs 3lbs and had to be born prematurely to save her life.
And if she's not too old (which I think she definitely is) then what is? 80? 100?

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