article in the sunday people re. facebook and bf pics

[divastrop]

here

dont know if its already been posted,apologies if it has.i realise its a tabloid but there's a quote from an MNer in it so thought it was worth a mention.

[pyjamaqueen]

bump - worrying stuff

[Monkeytrousers]

I?m not sure I fully understand - if the policy is not to show exposed breasts then that?s fine - the site is too big to allow exceptions (maybe - the logistics of separating the two without the loophole being exploited by porn barons is certainly a debate to be had) but where is the evidence porn star breasts are actually really on show, as apposed to scantily clad or pixelled out breasts?

I am on facebook but have never heard of this ? where are the actual discussions being had?

[RubberDuck]

I actually feel quite sorry for Facebook while understanding completely where the mums are coming from.

In the past I have been a moderator for a photo community and the amount of porn I have had to delete on a regular basis is quite disturbing. Worse, that you have to have a clear policy of X is good Y is bad so you can make split second decisions (due to volume) and be seen to be consistent (or you get your mail box filled to the brim of saying "look, you allowed A to show a tit, why did you delete MY picture".

Then you get the sheer size of the site. Our photo site was pretty small, but it soon became a full time job keeping on top of the moderating. Drove me up the wall. I'm guessing Facebook's financial model DOESN'T give them huge sums to pay full time moderators to go through everything and relies on people to report offensive material.

Not an easy solution either way, tbh. I think a clear policy of "if nipple is exposed, delete otherwise fine" might be the route to go.

[divastrop]

monkeytrousers-are you in the mumsnet group on facebook?i got invited to join the 'breastfeeding is not obscene' group when i joined the MN group.

i can understand if there are exposed nipples,but i dont see why there would be in bf pics?

[RubberDuck]

Yes, from reading into it though (in other sources) their cut off point is higher - any exposed breast. Which I would say is probably harder for them to police (so would a low cut dress showing lots of cleavage and heaving bosom violate their policy or not?). That's why I think it'd probably be easier on them to have a "no exposed nipple" line drawn rather than "no exposed breast".

[TheBlonde]

I think this link will take you to the group
link

[sazzybee]

Well it's estimated that facebook's revenue's are around $150m a year so I'd expect they could afford to pay the odd person (or two) to check the images their members post. I reckon that they are keeping themselves squeaky clean so that if they go public (which is what the pundits predict) they won't upset the 'moral' majority in the US.

I can't see how images of women bfing could possibly be considered offensive - I think I might have to add some pics

[whiskeyandbeer]

don't really see the problem as (as far as i know) facebook is a privately owned company and as such can set their own policies and standards. if you disagree with them then vote with your (methaphorical internet) feet and stop using the site.

[foxcub]

Surely FB can tell the difference between a topless soft porn pic and a photo of a mum BF her baby, with no nipple exposed!!!

They've actually banned some Mums for posting perfectly decent pics of BF their babies !!

[sazzybee]

I think that's a bit defeatist whiskeyandbeer. I'd prefer to lobby them to change their policy

[whiskeyandbeer]

but i don't see why they should change their policy as they are a private company and should be allowed set their own standards as long as they operate within the relevant laws.
and i don't see why mothers who want to put up pictures of breastfeeding would continue to support a company who deem it as obscene.

[whiskeyandbeer]

mental illness? surely just different standards.

[foxcub]

What do you mean by "standards" W&B? I don't understand your comment.

Just because its a privately owned company doesn't mean they should be exempt from public criticism surely?

[whiskeyandbeer]

i simply meant that while the other poster might think that someone who would find breastfeeding obscene and page 3 not was mentally ill, they may simply have different standards to her.

[moljam]

a friend of mine had her pics of her bf her dd removed on myspace.

[Mossy]

Just to add, the point in the People that I was trying to make about the Walker Art Gallery wasn't (as it appears) that there are "raunchy" images in there. I don't think I've ever used the word "raunchy"

I was trying to point out that there are many images in the Walker of breastfeeding that aren't at all discreet (paintings of Madonna & Child in the main) and many of them show lots of exposed breast. So, there is a long tradition of pictures of breastfeeding babies and children.

Hope that makes sense!

[off to my next topless shoot for a tabloid now]

[Pan]

I'm a little confused as to why anyone would want to show pictures of themselves and little one's in the intimate act of breastfeeding.

[Mossy]

Yes it is an intimate and loving act and that's precisely why women want to show pictures of it; it's the same reason, as I said in my previous post, that there is an incredibly long tradition of art depicting women breastfeeding their baby (mainly madonna & child images but also images from greek and other mythologies).

[Pan]

In that case let's see piccies of them having sex, or masturbating, or anything else that can be deemed intimate or loving??

[Pan]

A tad me me me.....and the opinion of the little one's? Whose piccies of being breastfed could be around forever?

[Mossy]

Pan would you have a problem with someone showing a picture of a baby being bottle fed?

[Mossy]

Yes, sex can be intimate and loving, and perhaps pictures we may take of "the act" should be kept private.

But cuddling a baby close and smelling his newborn hair smell is also intimate and loving. By your logic we shouldn't be taking pictures of this?

I'm sure many ff mums (and dads) would say that feeding your baby from a bottle, snuggling with him and hearing him gulp down his feed, breaking off occasionally to smile at you, can also be intimate and loving. Do you have a problem with pictures of bottle feeding a baby?

As for pictures like this being around forever... well, I hope that by the time my son is grown, breastfeeding will once again be considered one of the most natural things in the world, and there will be pictures of it everywhere, women will sit in the street bfing their baby if they are hungry and no one will bat an eyelid. So pics of him being bf by his Mum will not embarrass him at all...

.... well, not any more than any baby pictures embarrass older children and teenagers / young adults, anyway!