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Robert Murat's home being searched again

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totaleclipse Sat 04-Aug-07 16:04:12,,91210-1278599,00.html

totaleclipse Sat 04-Aug-07 16:48:54

Well I guess you're all fed up of this eh?? I just hope something comes of it, there must be alot ore they are not telling us for his house to be searched again.

belgo Sat 04-Aug-07 16:51:47

how many times have they searched his house?

totaleclipse Sat 04-Aug-07 16:54:00

I thought only once before..........I could be wrong.

tiredemma Sat 04-Aug-07 17:06:38

I think that they are just trying to look as if they are doing something

totaleclipse Sat 04-Aug-07 18:40:40

Yes, quite possibly.

lissie Sat 04-Aug-07 18:43:15

i thought it had been searched twice.

forsale Sat 04-Aug-07 18:49:21

i agree with tiredemma

TwoIfBySea Mon 06-Aug-07 00:03:19

Funny, I heard the Portugean press is reporting (unlike our gagged press) that the emphasis is moving back to the McCann apartment. Surely they should check the apartments of the "friends" too?

kookaburra Mon 06-Aug-07 09:39:31

I heard on the news the ploice were'chopping down mature trees in his garden' [hmmm]can't believe they would or did, so what can you believe?
Also tha tthe 'cadaver-sniffer' dog had indicated signs of a dead body in the McCanns apartment - how could that be?
seems pointless reporting all this till there is actula real news - but this is August, so I supose real news is lacking.

furReal Mon 06-Aug-07 09:40:16

well, from what I read, the Portuguese press are reporting that suspicion is on members of the Mccann party, especially two of the friends who were called back for interview. And it's been aledged that they met with Robert Murat in the UK before the party went on holiday.

expatinscotland Mon 06-Aug-07 09:41:36

If this man truly had nothing to do with her disappearance, I feel really sorry for him. Bet his life's been ruined.

kookaburra Mon 06-Aug-07 09:45:43

TBS - our gagged press is in the biz of selling newspapers and they obviously have decided they will sell more if they treat the McCanns as saints than if they are impartial. Saint Kate was in the Sundays yesterday in a long tirade of self-justification- neatly sidestepping the tricky questions of how far the apartmentment was a way (20 yds? 100yds?) and how long they left the children (30 mins/ 50 mins? all evening?) and emphasising firmly (why?) that they have not committed a crime leaving the kids unattended.

furReal Mon 06-Aug-07 09:54:37

new theory here

furReal Mon 06-Aug-07 11:04:04

Here’s a straight copy and paste from a portugese website called SOS Madeleine.
The translation is poor I’m afraid, but the gist of the article is clear.

Traces of blood of a died person, probably of Madeleine, one discovered in one of the walls of the room occupied by the McCann couple. This information
suggests the possibility of an accident rather than a murder, in spite of the fact that the traces will have been cleaned. This fact, to be confirmed,
would come to locate the death of Madeleine inside the apartment of holidays of the Ocean Club, without however explaining which would be the author.

The evidence one be discovered the week passed, after the use of the dogs trackers come from the United Kingdom, but there is not yet the scientific confirmation
which it is about the blood of the small girl, even if experts one already isolated the possibility of contamination of the vestiges. The apartment occupied
by McCann - the 5A - at summer rented on several occasions since June.

Saturday, while the attention of the journalists concentrated on the excavations in the property of Robert Murat, the technicians of the Criminal Investigation
Department one subjected the apartment occupied by McCann to the black light - scenescope - in their search for new traces.

All examinations one recorded in photograph.

Until the moment, the Criminal Investigation Department did not want to comment on the results of the excavations and examinations carried out, but a source
close to the investigation confirms that in the next days there will be new interrogations, in particular among the friends of the McCann couple. A possibility
exploited by the investigators, is that of a possible connection between Robert Murat and the friends of the McCann couple because, to be confirmed the
death of Madeleine McCann, it remains to know the context: an accident, a murder or a removal which would have badly turned.

The same source, advances that there will be still excavations and examinations in other places because the PJ does not have yet indices in connection with
the place or would be the body of Madeleine McCann.
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kookaburra Mon 06-Aug-07 18:12:51

How peculiar! Sorry - probably not quite the right word, but incredible that traces of blood could be found three, four months later even if washed away? And how could it be known the blood is from a dead person and not say, somone who happened to cut themselves slicing lemons and then cleared up the mess? This gets mysteriouser and mysteriouser. Whose betting if it gets reported in the rags here tomorrow?

LIZS Mon 06-Aug-07 18:36:57

Not sure any premptive speculation based on this article is helpful as any sublte linguistic "maybe"s could be lost in the translation. How could it be readily identified as specifically M's with no comparable sample and when DNA analysis is taking several weeks

totaleclipse Mon 06-Aug-07 19:08:53

I read somewhere it is something to do with specialised trained dogs, different to your standard sniffer dog, they are trained to pinpoint the place of death by scent, will try to find a link.

totaleclipse Mon 06-Aug-07 19:15:43

in Sol on August 4, 2007:

a report by Felicia Cabrita with Margarida Davim

translation by astro

Looking for Maddie’s body

The investigations have returned to their initial course. Portuguese and british police search for the body of the child in the surroundings of Praia da Luz

“There are strong signs” that Madeleine, the english child that disappeared from Praia da Luz almost one hundred days ago, “is dead”, police sources have told Sol.

The 180º turnaround that the investigation by the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) from Portimao seems to have done in the past few days, even led the Attorney General, Pinto Monteiro, to postpone the making of an interview that had been requested by british media chain BBC – an interview that would be focusing on the fact that, so long after Maddie’s disapperance, the authorities still remain without real clues concerning her whereabouts.

Although an official source from the PGR justified the postponing of the interview with “agenda issues”, the moves by the PJ and some elements from the british police during these last days – accompanied by two dogs, in Praia da Luz – seem to indicate that the investigation is now centered on the McCann family and their group of friends.

Sol could find out that the english dogs are trained for different tasks. One, to detect human remains originating from dead flesh, and the other one to detect human blood or fluids. A specialist that was contacted by Sol explains that the technique of these animals rests on scientific bases, and that while “one of the dogs can distinguish between natural death or death by accident that does not involve bloodshed, the other one can diagnose whether someone died a violent death, with bloodshed or other spilled fluids”.

Tuesday night, a black and white cocker spaniel that is trained to detect death, spent several hours in the apartment that the McCann family occupied in the Ocean Club resort, and from where Maddie disappeared on May 3. According to sources within the investigation, the dog marked the death of the child inside the apartment.

On the dogs’ trail

The english dogs do not contradict the clues that were detected by the sniffer dog that GNR sent to the location, on the day following the english girl’s disappearance. It’s an animal that only follows odours, and that “detected the movement of the child from the room to another point inside the apartment”, according to a source with the Guarda.

The same source said that “based on that signal, it was not possible to conclude whether the child was alive or dead – because a sniffer dog will smell both the living and the dead”.

Yet, outside the house, both through the windows that faced the Tapas restaurant – where the McCanns had dinner with their seven friends – and through the main door, “the dog lost the trail, as if the child had exited, for example, rolled up in a blanket”, that source said.

A team from Sol, on the terrain for the last two weeks, could observe the work of the cocker spaniel from the british police, performing several diligences along the water in Praia da Luz and in a nearby valley.

The animal’s path, on Wednesday night, seemed to test the deposition from several witnesses that were heard by the PJ in late May – namely an irish family that have been living in Luz, and who, on the day that Maddie vanished, reportedly crossed ways with a man that carried a child that seemed to be asleep.

According to their deposition to PJ, Martin Smith, his wife and his children, after leaving the Kelly bar, which is located approximately 400 metres from the Ocean Club, around 9.50 / 10.00 p.m., saw an individual described as caucasian, measuring 1.70 – 1.75 m, walking towards the beach.

The irish man told Sol that he knew Robert Murat (the only arguido in the process) visually for years – and also remembered seeing the anglo-portuguese man in a bar that evening, “already a bit intoxicated”. Therefore, the irish dismissed the possibility that the person he saw carrying a child could be Murat: “If it was him, I guarantee to you that I would have recognized him”.

Concerning the clothes the man he saw on that night was wearing, Smith only refers the “beige trousers”, given the fact that his upper body was hidden by the child’s body, which was not covered. It is curious that one of the elements that formed the group of Maddie’s parents’ friends, guaranteed to PJ several days before Smith was heard, that - at a moment when she left the table to check on the group’s children - she had crossed ways with a man that was wearing trousers that fit the description that was also made by the irish man.

That individual was also carrying a sleeping child. And the witness, who even managed to see what pyjamas the child was wearing, just “thought it was strange that the child was barefoot and uncovered”. This witness said it would be 9.15 p.m.

Direct access to the PM

According to the course the PJ from Portimao is now conducting the investigation, and considering the trail that the british police’s cocker spaniel tracked along the sea shore, the individual would have descended to Praia da Luz, where he could have disposed of Maddie’s body. Sol knows that the english team contacted Joao Alveirinho Dias, a professor at the University of Algarve and a specialist in oceanography, in order to collect information about the sea’s dynamics and the beach area where everything may have happened. The investigator, who was not briefed about the context of the police inquiries, told Sol that he was consulted on “the sand movements, where they come from and where they go to”.

The police investigation has therefore, and according to our sources, returned to its initial course, and it becomes increasingly clear, as Sol had reported previously, that there is no proof against Murat.

Yet, the british media continue to point a finger at the anglo-portuguese man, although the criminal investigation has returned to clues that relate to the group of friends of Madeleine’s parents.

A journalist with the Daily Express – who has repeatedly contacted Sol searching for new information on this case – recognized this week that it is “difficult for an english newspaper to adopt a critical tone concerning Madeleine’s parents”.

The Daily Express cited, in one of its last reports, the news that have been published by Sol, describing them as a “hate campaign” against the McCanns. The same journalist ended up confessing that “it’s the only way we can transmit your data”.

Sol knows that Gerry McCann has regular contact with Gordon Brown, the british Prime Minister. Clarence Mitchell – who was the first spokesman for the McCanns and is now in the press cabinet at Nr. 10, Downing Street – confirms those contacts. “I know there is a communication line between Gerry and Gordon Brown. I know they talk. But I don’t know what they talk about, because those are informal conversations”, he clarified, further adding: “The Madeleine case is treated whenever there are bilateral meetings between Portugal and the United Kingdom. Gordon Brown is sensitive to the case and wants it solved quickly”.

Howdydoody Mon 06-Aug-07 19:58:57

How on earth can a dog detect the death of a child? Am totally confused, how would it know if it was a child or an adult that died? And how would it communicate that?

totaleclipse Mon 06-Aug-07 20:03:57

No idea, just thought I'd post it and see what people thought.

LIZS Mon 06-Aug-07 20:08:29

think more interesting is the prescence of a known Swiss paedophile on the Algarve at the time of her dispapearance who has apparently now committed suicide.

Theclosetpagan Mon 06-Aug-07 20:08:44

Feel very sad for this family - no matter what the rights and wrongs they have lost a child. Just so hoping they have an answer because not knowing must be torture.

furReal Mon 06-Aug-07 20:21:09

child meeting with accident in the apartment and then being "disposed" of sounds like a far more plausible explanation than child being stalked by paedophile rings and snatched to order.

There has been something not right about this case from the very start, thing is, if it transpires that the family were involved in some way, how will this affect the way the media react to future such cases?

MotherFunk Mon 06-Aug-07 20:45:32

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