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Alan Johnson on "the family" - I'm liking the cut of his gib

(63 Posts)
Tinker Tue 27-Feb-07 15:47:18

Here. At last, someone not banging on about marriage being the cure all of society's ills

ScummyMummy Tue 27-Feb-07 15:53:33

Yes. I think he's right.

Marina Tue 27-Feb-07 15:55:19

Nice to see someone refer to love as central to the success of a relationship for a change, agreed
I do like Alan Johnson actually, hopefully a good appointment in Education at long last

Tinker Tue 27-Feb-07 15:57:12

Yes, I do up he doesn't balls up things somewhere, he's very likeable

Caligula Tue 27-Feb-07 15:58:08

Blimey. Politician uses the word love.

<Falls over>

Did anyone see him on GMTV this morning? Anne Atkins was on banging on about marriage and making the usual statistical (unweighted for class, poverty etc.) claims about how much worse off the children of lone parents were.

Marina Tue 27-Feb-07 16:00:31

Anne Atkins is utterly barking

Tinker Tue 27-Feb-07 16:01:33

Anne Atkins [strangle emoticon]

Caligula Tue 27-Feb-07 16:03:05

I quite like her. She's completely bonkers about some things and completely wrong about others. Very good at what she does, but utterly wrong about this. One of the things she pointed out this AM, was that lone parents are more likely to have children who have a cot death. As if somehow the baby becomes physiologically different when the parent is single, and this sort of statistic owes nothing to socio-economic factors.

Caligula Tue 27-Feb-07 16:05:49

The woman from oneparentfamilies was very good - she pointed out that countries like Denmark and Sweden, which have similar rates of lone parenthood to us, but where lone parenthood isn't immediately linked with poverty and stigma, came near the top of the UNICEF league.

ScummyMummy Tue 27-Feb-07 16:36:10

What does she do? Isn't she a professional pontificator?

SueBaroo Tue 27-Feb-07 17:19:50

Anne Atkins is a journo and vicars wife. I always think of her like a rightwing Polly Toynbee for some reason. I think it's the hair.

Caligula Tue 27-Feb-07 17:22:48

LOL at "professional pontificator"

Wonder if that pays well?

edam Tue 27-Feb-07 17:23:03

Anne Atkins is more a commentator than a journalist though - she gives her own opinions rather than doing some research and interviewing people.

I do like Alan J on this, very refreshing. Isn't he the one who once told Tony Blair 'by the time I was 20, I had three children' and TB replied 'Gosh, you are working class, aren't you?'

OrmIrian Tue 27-Feb-07 18:42:12

The Atkins woman makes my DH froth at the mouth. Most amusing when she's on Thought for the Day

Caligula Tue 27-Feb-07 20:25:01

It always wakes me up when she's on Thought for the day

Tinker Tue 27-Feb-07 21:15:06

I retract my strangle emoticon and will save it for Joanna Bogle

deaconblue Tue 27-Feb-07 21:17:16

I really like him too. The first ed sec for a long while I've had any respect for. There's bound to be some scandal about him soon then

Caligula Tue 27-Feb-07 21:17:27

Who she?

Rowlers Tue 27-Feb-07 21:24:25

Interesting - I agree with him - such social problems are a result of (amongst other things and for a variety of reasons) poor parenting, not single or co-habiting parenting.
IMO - Anne Atkins cannot debate an issue - she simply tries to shout everyone else down by repeating her own drivel more loudly than anyone else. Her "arguments" always seem to revolve around statistics of some sort, which, someone should tell her, are very easy to distort and use to one's own advantage.
I find her deathly dull as her views can be picked apart so very easily.

nearlythree Tue 27-Feb-07 21:30:39

Anne Atkins came to attention for her piece on Thought for the Day when she said how she'd been converted from a liberal position on the gay issue to the conservative one. This was ages before the current bigoted ranting started. From there she got her own columns and a slot on the telly...

Can't stand Alan Johnson though, has a very utilitarian attitude to education. But I'm guessing this speech is signalling he doesn't intend to be Ed sec for long.

Tinker Tue 27-Feb-07 21:35:38

JB is wheeled as the Professional Catholic on the likes of the Jeremy Vine show - gets all hysterical and shouty.

Caligula Wed 28-Feb-07 10:17:01

I've never come across JB

Sounds like ignorance is bliss in this instance.

ipanemagirl Wed 28-Feb-07 10:32:42

Tinker - I respect anyone who uses the excellent expression: "the cut of his gib". That has already improved my day.
Bogle/Atkins both a little mad IMO - but they know they're booked to be a little extreme - otherwise no one would ever call them if they were all moderate and balanced. Melanie Philipps is similar rent-an-extremist.

MrsJohnCusack Wed 28-Feb-07 10:46:51

I have nothing sensible to say but would like to join in the congratulations on the use of 'cut of his gib'

it makes the Active Convos page so much more pleasant to look at

ipanemagirl Wed 28-Feb-07 11:05:11

MrsJohnCusack! Longtime No Speak!
My favourite expression along with my favourite mumsnet nickname! This is improving my day even more! Yes to see the '"cut of his gib" out there is a happy thing.
What does it mean originally? I'm going to have to look it up now.
How are you Mrs C?

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