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After McKeith - more pseudo scientific nutritional gobbledigook

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edam · 17/02/2007 13:15

Can't believe I missed the Gillian McKeith thread, have been trying to tell people what rubbish it is for years. Anyway, this week's Bad Science looks at Patrick Holford, who set up his own Institute for Optimum Nutrition (don't hold back, Patrick) and is a very successful seller of vitamins...


vitamins as a cure for AIDS

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FluffyMummy123 · 17/02/2007 13:16

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edam · 17/02/2007 13:16

Oh, and may I just point out the correct spelling of dietitian is with two Ts and no Cs. Although I think some dietitians are giving in to the prevailing mis-spelling.

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edam · 17/02/2007 13:19

Bum, cut and pasted URL but didn't work. Hang on, I'll just cut and paste text.

Btw, I once complained about Holford in a professional capacity, when he was advising smokers to take antioxidant supplements that Cancer Research UK say may actually increase their risk of lung cancer (beta carotene but only if you smoke).

Ben Goldacre
Saturday February 17, 2007
The Guardian

Look, I realise this is beginning to feel like one of those big containers where the Americans play Britney at you over and over again until you confess to crimes you haven't committed. I'm totally ready to move on from nutritionists. But Patrick Holford yesterday found his way on to the letters page to repeat his mindboggling claim that vitamin C is better than the Aids drug AZT, and you can't let that kind of thing lie.

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Dealing with Holford is like playing Bad Science Bingo. He promotes fish oil supplements by Equazen, the company behind the Durham fish oil "trials". He is feted by Tonight with Trevor McDonald, the people fisked by Ofcom for inappropriately promoting the Dore "cure" for dyslexia. He runs his own prominent, methodologically inept experiments on schoolchildren. He has a non-qualification (an honorary diploma conferred upon him by the Institute for Optimum Nutrition - which he founded - when he was director). And so on.
But the science is the thing: what is Holford's evidence for this bizarre, repeated Aids claim? Firstly, he cites two small studies done on cells in a dish on a laboratory bench, using vitamin C and AZT. This is farcically weak evidence, blatantly unfit for purpose, absurdly reductionist.

But his second piece of evidence is more worrying: a letter from Raxit Jariwalla, the man responsible for the research, who says Patrick is right about this vitamin being better than an Aids drug. Patrick brandishes this, and I find this almost as bizarre as his claims about HIV: because there are some people you do not befriend.

Matthias Rath is the multimillionaire vitamin salesman who aggressively sells his message to Aids victims in South Africa that Rath vitamin pills are better than medication. He has contributed in large part to a madness that has let perhaps hundreds of thousands of people die unnecessarily. Who is Holford's saviour, Jariwalla? According to the Rath Foundation website, he is a "senior researcher" at the "Dr Rath Research Institute in California".

Nice friends, Patrick. And he complains, conspiratorially, that there are no trials of vitamin C in HIV. Might you expect vitamin C to beat the drug AZT in a trial in humans? It has serious side effects, but AZT was the first and only HIV medication on the market for eight years, it stopped HIV from being an automatic death sentence, and it is still in routine use as part of "combination therapy". It works, and it cuts HIV transmission, mother to baby, from 25% to 8%: which is good, since 3 million are dead already from Aids, 500,000 of them children, and at least 40 million people are HIV positive. Good nutrition is important, but vitamin C is unlikely to prove to be better than medication.

Aids is serious, and money is not the only barrier to getting hold of drugs. Nevirapine, a follow-up drug, in a single dose reduces maternal HIV transmission from 25% to 15%. It's given away free for that purpose by the drug company but in many places it is rejected by people who have been misled by vitamin-peddling anti-medication entrepreneurs.

This isn't about diet and health. And it's not about qualifications or money: it's about whether the behaviour of some cells in a dish mean that it's safe, responsible, proportionate and sane to make pronouncements about one of the biggest killers of the modern age that your innocent viewers will take seriously.

Holford is going on a speaking tour of South Africa next month. My blood runs cold at the thought. If McKeith is a danger to the public understanding of science, Holford, in this case, may be that danger realised: the last thing you knew he was on GMTV and Tonight with Trevor McDonald, chatting about stuff like tiredness. I don't expect one of those TV producers, who have given Holford a platform, to give the matter a second thought. He makes good entertainment.

Please send your bad science to [email protected]

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Blandmum · 17/02/2007 13:27

If you take in more Vitamin C than your body actually needs, it is metabolised and you pass the metabolite out of your body in your urine.

I have carried out the tests myself on undergraduate volenteers. There is no benefit in taking large doses of Vitamin C, because ou can't keep it in your body. {head in hands emoticon needed!}

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FluffyMummy123 · 17/02/2007 13:28

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Blandmum · 17/02/2007 13:36

I think you can store the fat soluable ones (would have to check). All the water based ones get pissed out if you take excess

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SueW · 17/02/2007 13:37

This man... grr....

My boss (school catering manager) went to a confernece where he spoke and came back bleating on about how it is impossible to get the right nutrition through food alone and everyone should take supplements. I could have cried as I was directed to look at his website that had been plugged at the conference.

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edam · 17/02/2007 14:03

Sue, you have my sympathies, I'd have been hard pressed not to beat the silly woman around the head with a GSCE science textbook.

You do store fat-soluble vitamins such as vit A which is why too much can be a bad thing.

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edam · 17/02/2007 14:04

Oh, and MB's right about the water soluble ones, of course - the Americans are said to have the most expensive pee in the world because they buy so many vitamins.

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Blandmum · 17/02/2007 14:06

do you know, this sort of thing pissed me off soooooooooooooooooo much.

LET ME DESIGN THE GCSE BIOLOGY COUSE AND NO_ONE WOULD GET CONNED BY THIS SHIT EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

sorry to shout

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edam · 17/02/2007 14:11

I'd second your application, MB. Used to work in consumer health journalism exposing this sort of rubbish. 'Allergy' testing where we'd send them two blood samples from the same person (who proper doctors had checked didn't have any allergies) which would come back with two different results, etc. etc. etc. That company is still in business. Home testing kits for Alzheimer's that were actually a scratch and sniff card - company's excuse was that Alzheimer's affects your sense of smell.

Although seeing as it's so easy to make money by conning people, I have been tempted to start my own business.

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SueW · 18/02/2007 21:44

Edam I would love to have done that - exposing people. It really irritates me the mumbo jumbo people get away with these days.

Stupidly, following my boss's return from the conference, I ran DD's diet through the test on the website only to be told she was deficient in certain areas. Except there weren't the right questions iirc - she got a score in her KS1 SATS which didn't appear as an option iirc for example. I know DD has a pretty good diet - especially considering she has a condition which limits what she can eat to an extent - so I can quite happily carry on regardless. But others won't be so happy to do so. And to sell, sell, sell, multi-vits is SO wrong.

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Caligula · 18/02/2007 23:02

I hate Gillian McPoo with a vengeance.

Thing about her, is she really appeals to the neurotic, or people with serious food issues, becuase she tells you to eat some sees or other that are only grown in a certain latitude of the Amazon jungle - nice and complicated. I have a friend who has some kind of eating disorder (has been on a diet for 3 years and now has got to the stage where if she comes over for dinner, she'll bring her own food) and she loves Gillian McPoo. Has all her books.

This other charlatan will make a mint as well. Incredible that they can't be legally stopped.

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Caligula · 18/02/2007 23:02

should say seeds not sees

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Gobbledigook · 18/02/2007 23:13

If you could not take my name in vain I'd be very grateful.

Ta

Yours

Gobbledigook

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speedymama · 19/02/2007 09:39

I remember my biology classes at school and we learnt about fat and water soluble vitamins, carbohydrates, fats, proteins etc. Don't they teach this stuff any more? Why are so many people ignorant about food groups?

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