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Two UK MP's openly still support Trump - one is IDS. They need to denounce him

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Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 19:29:41

After Trumps latest scary speech in which he insinuated that Clinton Could be stopped by the second amendment why do two of our MP's still support him? This is after he has insulted immigrants, women, Muslims and the disabled

One is Iain Duncan Smith, the other is Michael Fabricant. What will it take for these Members of our Parliament to finally condemn Trump? How can they continue to support a dangerous vile man to become President of the US?

Gobbolinothewitchscat Wed 10-Aug-16 19:31:24

How do we know they support him? What have they said/done?

sooperdooper Wed 10-Aug-16 19:33:52

I haven't read or heard of any MPs openly supporting him, what have they said & where is it reported?

bakingaddict Wed 10-Aug-16 19:35:53

In a free society you can support who the hell you like. If we squash free choice then we run the risk of becoming more like North Korea or Burma I'd rather people have the choice to support Trump however heinous he is than live in a society like the aforementioned

Gobbolinothewitchscat Wed 10-Aug-16 19:36:40

I've found this quote from Michael fabricant. I don't really think it's a ringing endorsement. More an example of hope over expectation:

I don't agree with much if anything of what he has said up to now, but if he were elected president - I think it's unlikely - but if he were elected president, I don't think that it would necessarily mean that he would be a bad president at all.

Gobbolinothewitchscat Wed 10-Aug-16 19:40:12

IDS quoted someone else saying Dinald Trump was a "very decent man"

He also quoted US House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, saying The Donald is a "very decent man. He said he'd be better [than Hilary clinton]

Again, it's hardly a ringing endorsement

I think we have to remember that if DT becomes president (hopefully unlikely), we can't just fuck him off. We actually have to work with him - however much of a goon he is.

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 19:41:21

Forgot the link,_2016#National_ministers_and_secretaries

How can we persuade these MP's to stop supporting this man?

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 19:42:23


link fail - they are on his wiki. If they don't they need to be removed,_2016#National_ministers_and_secretaries

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 19:43:23

I don't think as it is acceptable to support him. If members of his own party can denounce him why can't they?

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 19:44:49

And neither mp is ever likely to be working with him in a professional capacity - so they do not need to support him. If Hollande can show is contempt I think they can remove their support especially now

bakeoffcake Wed 10-Aug-16 19:46:07

Well IDS is a twat himself so this really doesn't surprise me, of true.

bakeoffcake Wed 10-Aug-16 19:46:59


Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 19:50:08

Well he is listed as a supporter on Trumps wiki which has some other wonderful notable supporters from around the world

GiddyOnZackHunt Wed 10-Aug-16 19:56:54

Perhaps they might like to be alerted to their presence on his wiki page. They may not know. Twitter anyone?
<whistles innocently >

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 20:11:17

Good idea - anyone else sak them? I am sure they will want to know!

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 20:13:15


GiddyOnZackHunt Wed 10-Aug-16 20:21:58

I don't have a Twitter account.

Gobbolinothewitchscat Wed 10-Aug-16 20:33:11

I would hardly say they have supported him hmm. I'm no fan of IDS but all he has done is quite someone else

When I say we need to work with DT, I mean our government/parliament with the US and DT's/US's representatives. It's therefore relatively normal to avoid saying the putative president is a massive plonker. I actually think Hollande was quite misguided in his approach

Everyone knows that DT is a massive bullshitter so I wouldn't trust his wiki entry/website. I think alerting them to the fact they are cited as "supporters" is fair enough as I don't think their comments warrant that

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 20:36:25

I understand - in that case they wouldn't want to be listed would they? How to let them know?

I actually agreed with Hollande - it was after the suggestion that French people could be banned from entering the USA. If no one speaks out. If all are silent then what?

Gobbolinothewitchscat Wed 10-Aug-16 20:41:44

DT is a massive windbag who is not president yet. No one in the US who cites for him is going to take the slightest notice of anything Presidebt Hollande says - it just fires them up even more To vote for DT. The best thing to do is ignore him

IF he becomes President, his idiotic views can be addressed them.

Gobbolinothewitchscat Wed 10-Aug-16 20:42:46

You could email them if you want to let them know - Google their offices and it will have a contact email address

annandale Wed 10-Aug-16 20:48:30

They can presumably look after themselves, as grown ups. It doesn't even look as if they do 'support' him.

Even if I thought an MP stating something anodyne about a leadership candidate from another country needed some form of action from me, I would put it around 2,000th on my to do list.

prh47bridge Wed 10-Aug-16 20:54:14

Wikipedia's source for stating IDS supports Trump is a report in the Daily Mirror based on comments he made in an interview. The online version of the report includes video of the interview. The clip starts with him quoting Paul Ryan, although the context is removed. Listening to the full interview the question at the time was around why people should back Brexit when both Putin and Trump were for it. IDS' comment "he's a very decent man" appears to refer to Ryan, not Trump, although it is difficult to be certain as someone else was cutting across IDS. It seems to me that he was trying to point out that Trump was not the only US politician who came out for Brexit. The nearest he got to a comment on Trump was to say that, if he had a vote in the US election, he wouldn't be voting for Clinton. Alex Salmond, who was also being interviewed, tried to argue this meant IDS was supporting Trump which IDS specifically denied.

I listened to the interview with an open mind. My view is that the Mirror has misreported the interview. Even if one accepts the Mirror's version of the interview it hardly constitutes a ringing endorsement of Trump.

Showmethewaytogohome Wed 10-Aug-16 22:34:09

They are listed as supporters of a man who has just suggested using the 2nd ammendment on his political opponent

Credibility of all politicians should always be looked at. No one on this thread actually knows if they gave Trump the nod or not to include them

This is not 'another country' this is the leading country of the western world. With a candidate where members of his own party and 50 GOP security experts have come out against him calling him dangerous and a threat to the USA and the world. A little bit more important that 2000 on the list especially as they are back benchers and it is the Summer recess.

prh47bridge Wed 10-Aug-16 23:50:07

No one on this thread actually knows if they gave Trump the nod or not to include them

This is not Trump's wiki. It is Wikipedia. Anyone can edit it. People are being added to and removed from this list constantly. Someone's name appearing on this list simply means a Wikipedia editor found something online that suggested the person endorsed Trump in some way and no other editor has disputed their inclusion. It definitely does not mean the people listed have in any way agreed to their listing. That simply isn't how Wikipedia works. And it certainly is not the case that these people gave the nod to Trump and his campaign added them to Wikipedia. If a significant number of edits to this page were coming from IP addresses associated with the Trump campaign that would probably have been spotted and Wikipedia administrators would have taken steps to stop it.

Michael Fabricant was added to the list by an anonymous editor in the UK, probably near Reading. IDS was added by an anonymous editor in Lithuania. Took about 5 minutes searching the page history to find that.

Looking at the talk page for this Wikipedia page it appears there is some uncertainty as to what constitutes an endorsement and that a number of the alleged endorsements are disputed.

I would not regard this page as a reliable indicator of who has really endorsed Trump.

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