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nuttymango Mon 18-Jul-16 21:50:49

And now Germany - an axeman has attacked people on a train.
BBC breaking news -

DonkeyOaty Mon 18-Jul-16 21:54:49


Igneococcus Mon 18-Jul-16 21:55:17

Wuerzburg is my hometown, we only came back from visiting my family there last week.
German online news don't have any more information yet than the BBC.

nuttymango Mon 18-Jul-16 22:57:52

Igneococcus I hope that all your family and friends are OK.

TheNewStatesman Mon 18-Jul-16 23:07:21

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere Mon 18-Jul-16 23:11:00

I hate what is happening. Maybe I've never noticed it as much, or it's happening much more lately.
So sad. Thinking of you igneo, hope it's no one you know.

BertrandRussell Mon 18-Jul-16 23:11:02

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DonkeyOaty Mon 18-Jul-16 23:17:35

Uncalled for comment from Statesman

Quite quite horrid

TwistedReach Mon 18-Jul-16 23:19:58

I agree bertrand. A horrible post. Poor people on the train and poor 17 year old. (I appreciate this amount of empathy is too much for some).

AnneEyhtMeyer Mon 18-Jul-16 23:21:23

I cannot understand your empathy for someone who has just attacked people with an axe, Twisted. Whatever their age.

BertrandRussell Mon 18-Jul-16 23:23:23

I don't have empathy for someone who has attacked someone with an axe.

MiniMinor Mon 18-Jul-16 23:25:15

Bigger picture ...

BertrandRussell Mon 18-Jul-16 23:25:21

Sorry- posted too soon. I wait for the facts to emerge before commenting.

TwistedReach Mon 18-Jul-16 23:28:40

Dont you? I do. I also have empathy for lee rugby's killer who had schizophrenia. And children who hurt others.

TwistedReach Mon 18-Jul-16 23:31:43

I don't believe in evil and wrongly assumed from your username that you didn't either.

AnneEyhtMeyer Mon 18-Jul-16 23:34:19

I think you are trying to show off Twisted. It isn't really working.

TwistedReach Mon 18-Jul-16 23:37:16

An odd response Anne? I truly believe that people who hurt need help.

TwistedReach Mon 18-Jul-16 23:39:59

Although perhaps I should feel hopeful that having empathy even for those who commit atrocities is seen as showing off

PickledCauliflower Mon 18-Jul-16 23:43:35

Poor axeman.
Let's be honest here - would you have that view if he attacked one of your family members?
Some people are so bloody cool and right on!

PickledCauliflower Mon 18-Jul-16 23:44:39

Some offenders do need help.
And you also have cold blooded killers who need locking up.

DailyMailEthicalFail Mon 18-Jul-16 23:44:50

I agree Twisted that it is a tragedy for ALL involved.
Of course any victims take priority in compassion stakes but
If a killer is 17 he is barely more than a child. Terribly sad.

SemiNormal Mon 18-Jul-16 23:47:48

I feel somewhat sorry for this 17yr old. I mean what 'normal' (for want of a better word) 17yr old goes out and does this kind of thing? What kind of shit must have gone on in his life? IDK, he's kind of lost his life too IMO. Of course my sympathies lie with the victims and their families but it seems to me that this 17yr has been severely let down somewhere.

ZansForCans Mon 18-Jul-16 23:48:49

I do have empathy too Twisted. I think a lot of the atrocities are committed by people who aren't well and respond to the ISIS propaganda because of that - though also I feel sorry for the other people who are so brainwashed they end up losing their lives this way. It doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for the victims.

But I've said stuff like that before on MN and got flamed, that's what happens.

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp Mon 18-Jul-16 23:51:33

Does a British white paedophile also get same amount of sympathy/empathy?

WhatWouldLeslieKnopeDo Mon 18-Jul-16 23:58:20

Awful news. Those poor people and their families.

I think that trying to empathise with attackers in these sort of situations is really important. If we can understand what motivates people to commit atrocious acts then perhaps we can find ways to intervene before they get to this point.

Empathising isn't the same as excusing.

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