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UK rise in Nationalism and referendum legal challeges

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Lico Sat 09-Jul-16 10:01:56

I wonder whether European Countries who experienced fascism in the 1930's are now concerned about the rise of nationalism in the UK? This might explain why anti EU
polls have now gone down as countries can see that the extreme right is showing its ugly head again in Europe. What do you think?

Usual legal challenges!!

ProfessorPreciseaBug Mon 11-Jul-16 06:40:59

I would think it more likely they are worried about the rise of extreem Nationalism in their own front yard.

As to why, that is a very difficult problem. I wonder, does the effect of EU policy offend people sense of identity leading to a reaction against the suffocating blanket of migration and regulation?

concertplayer Wed 13-Jul-16 11:37:31

The background in the 1920s and 30s is quite similar to the present.
Germany suffered economically due to the high reparations it had to pay
after the 1st WW . We also have a problem with high debt. Young people
everywhere are disenchanted (Tunisia good example of this- promises
made for a good future dashed hence joining isis).
As most Leavers voted due to immigration the next govt will need to do
something to appease them but it will be hard as Leavers range from
wanting to trade with single market to no immigrants at all!
If we continue to trade with the Eu we will still need to conform to
their standards/regulations.
What happens in the economy will be a big factor. Either minus inflation
or high inflation will cause problems. We have already had strikes/riots
recently like germany did so the stage for extremism is unfolding.
The problem is that as so much of our economy is based on our
relationship with the EU we face considerable challenges in this respect
I am afraid of the extremists all over Europe

cressetmama Sat 16-Jul-16 20:48:58

I am afraid of, and for, France in particular.

Solopower1 Sun 17-Jul-16 13:00:05

Yes, especially in the country that gave us liberty, equality and fraternity. Probably inevitable, though.

No quick fixes. Education and social justice are the only ways forward, imo.

Solopower1 Sun 17-Jul-16 13:06:55

Concertplayer, there are lots of parallels with the 1930s, but I think if people know their history, there is a chance they will learn from it. That's why I think education is important.

There are people who are actively trying to foment conflicts between different sections of society in the UK and in France, Europe, the world. Those of us who are in favour of social cohesion and harmony need to work for it, not just expect it to happen.

The one thing that gives me a lot of hope is that children are naturally pretty accepting of and interested in differences, and good teachers can (and do) build on that.

concertplayer Sun 17-Jul-16 14:45:37

Yes Solopower We are a long way from the Nazi style indoctrination that
went on in schools in Germany in the 30s and 40s. The situation in Germany
was unique as a whole bunch of academics, medics and intellectuals supported Hitler and National Socialism (knowing nothing about his plans for the Final Solution of course as he was mad)
I mean starting with Voltaire and then after WW2 eg Chile the vast majority of
intellectuals left their home countries.
In fact it was years after WW2 that the beaten Germany allowed the real
facts of history to be taught in schools. Though tbh it is something really
horrific to teach children (German "expert" by the way" )

Solopower1 Sun 17-Jul-16 15:51:12

Yes, how do you teach something like that?? Difficult as it must be, though, the Germans seem to be doing a good job, because the young people I meet are all very well-informed.

I just hope that British young people don't just see the War as being about deeds of derring do and community spirit in the Blitz. They need to know that there was a build-up of visceral hatred towards the Jews, allowed/encouraged by the state and the media. Maybe this was to distract their attention from social inequalities of the Depression and the greed and inadequacies of the ruling classes? (Trying to remember A level history).

mollie123 Sun 17-Jul-16 16:06:45

the guardian strikes again - it really is a rag

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