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So will it be Free Movement or not?

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ChristineS Sun 26-Jun-16 21:13:30

Given that most Brexiters wanted reduced immigration, would it be a real stich-up if the powers that be go for a free trade deal that has to include continued free movement of people within the EU? I suspect that this will be the outcome. How would you feel about that?

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig Sun 26-Jun-16 22:02:29

Perfectly fine. How did you think it would go? That thousands of people would quit their jobs and hundreds of companies would be able to afford to let them go? I would expect a new trade agreement to honour previous working practice, with the only difference being that we can trade with who we like.

Pinkcadillac Sun 26-Jun-16 23:05:57

I guess that would be unacceptable to those Leave voters that want greater immigration control

LittleBearPad Sun 26-Jun-16 23:10:41

Adorabelle that's not what's being suggested. Free movement of people will continue just as before, no changes.

Pinkcadillac Sun 26-Jun-16 23:10:58

So it be a betrayal to Leave voters, really

Pinkcadillac Sun 26-Jun-16 23:11:49

it would be

Coughingchildren5 Sun 26-Jun-16 23:14:08 Boris has expanded on his vision

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig Sun 26-Jun-16 23:14:19

Exactly. Immigration will carry on as before. I voted leave but even I know that immigration is not really the problem.

Pinkcadillac Sun 26-Jun-16 23:22:25

All this hassle was just so the UK can now trade with who we like? really? immigration control was not an issue?

Then I don't understand why the Leave campaign made such a big deal of it

Anyway, I look forward to finding out who are those mysterious new trade partners for the UK

GiddyOnZackHunt Sun 26-Jun-16 23:25:39

Uxbridge need to deselect the clown. (Is it really Uxbridge he's MP for?)

YourPerception Sun 26-Jun-16 23:27:55

UKIP will hound him grin for this.

YourPerception Sun 26-Jun-16 23:29:13

I have visions of the clown and angry 50 year old UKIP men raging.grin

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig Sun 26-Jun-16 23:34:30

Immigration control was obviously an issue for some and is still being used as an excuse for dreadful behaviour, but personally speaking, I don't think it's an immediately solvable problem. New trade avenues can certainly be explored however. The EU's grip on the worlds markets was steadily falling and as an independent concern we might be able to use that.

justbogoff Sun 26-Jun-16 23:38:17

We can trade with who we like, we just get to trade freely with the EU.
Part of the negotiation is expected to be EU requirement for free movement.
Effectively BJ wants free trade in EU and free movement. So exactly what we have at the moment then.......

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt Sun 26-Jun-16 23:45:18

This won't appease most Brexiters. I suspect he wants to lose the leadership contest now, but feels he needs to pretend to clean up his shit.

Pinkcadillac Sun 26-Jun-16 23:47:00

So the UK is leaving the UE and then it will negotiate a deal with it that will involve a return to the free trade and free movement that it now has (and will also allow the Uk to find new trade partners somewhere?)

This does not sound like the Leave campaign at all. Sounds a lot more boring. And a waste of time.

Hodooooooooor Sun 26-Jun-16 23:47:58

How would you stop free movement within Europe anyway? Visas when going from Ireland to Northern Ireland, with a giant wall in between?

Pinkcadillac Sun 26-Jun-16 23:52:47

How would you stop free movement within Europe anyway? Visas when going from Ireland to Northern Ireland, with a giant wall in between?

If they copy the Australian system, we'll have work permits based on points and electronic visas for shorter visits

Hodooooooooor Sun 26-Jun-16 23:54:31

That doesn't actually answer the question. You can have all the point you want but how do you stop people walking into the UK (NI) from Europe (Ireland)?

ImGoingToTeabagYourDrumKitDale Sun 26-Jun-16 23:58:58

You can have a points system, are you an eu citizen? Yes....award yourself 100points your in. Simple.

Pinkcadillac Sun 26-Jun-16 23:59:58

Oh I see

Yes, that would have to be a wall

I'm sure the Leave campaign has already worked it out

ImGoingToTeabagYourDrumKitDale Mon 27-Jun-16 00:02:06

A wall you say? Will the Mexicans be building it? grin

Pinkcadillac Mon 27-Jun-16 00:04:51

My bet is on Polish builders grin

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt Mon 27-Jun-16 00:19:53

Looking at that article, I can't quite work it out.

Is he advocating an EEA style set-up with freedom of movement?

Or does he actually think he can demand from the EU freedom for UK citizens to travel, work and study across Europe, but a points-based system for EU-citizens to come here? If so, he's fucking delusional.

I am 100% convinced he wants to throw the leadership contest to someone else and run as far away from this mess as possible.

Chchchchangeabout Mon 27-Jun-16 00:31:27

The referendum was on whether or not to leave the EU. No more, no less. Assuming that parliament chooses to take the advice, it is up to them to decide what that looks like. How would they work out what 17 million different people envisioned that to look like and deliver to all of them anyway? Especially when some of what was envisioned was based on lies and/or fantasy in any case.

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