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GourmetSoup Mon 20-Jun-16 23:30:16

Calderdale gang jailed for grooming and abusing girls

Already dozens of cases around the country, how many more will be uncovered?

ProfessorPreciseaBug Tue 21-Jun-16 06:14:42

Why are we suprised at such things?
For years the PC approach has been saying people are entitled to their own culture whilst they live amongst another culture.

supersoftcuddlytoys Tue 21-Jun-16 07:44:06

Unbelievable.. But actually what am I saying? It isn't hard to believe at all. Anne Marie Waters has been putting in freedom of information requests to the Police for a while since Rotherham in fact, to try to uncover the abuses by Muslim gangs against white girls that are still going on. But of course - she's a racist!!!!

supersoftcuddlytoys Tue 21-Jun-16 08:09:17

Not a word about this on radio 4's Today programme, not yet anyway.

supersoftcuddlytoys Tue 21-Jun-16 15:52:12

No one seems very interested on here either. Shame! Perhaps if the perpetrators were white men it'd be different?

Tiggeryoubastard Tue 21-Jun-16 15:58:48

It's been very well known around Bradford/Keighley/Halifax that it happens and has been for years. But unfortunately the culture of shouting down anyone that brings it up as 'racist' (this also happens with lots of other things) has let this happen repeatedly and get even worse. The tip of the iceberg has only just been touched.

supersoftcuddlytoys Wed 22-Jun-16 15:36:15

Horrifying - utterly horrifying! OP how do you feel about the fact that almost no one has commented on this?

GourmetSoup Wed 22-Jun-16 20:28:16

The apathy is a little disconcerting given the seriousness of the offences

Brandonstarkflakes Wed 22-Jun-16 21:44:39

Um, you do realise that there are lots of cases of non Muslim men being involved in this sort of stuff don't you? And that there are lots of Muslim men who aren't involved with it and would be absolutrky disgusted by what these men have done?

Don't you?! confused

Brandonstarkflakes Wed 22-Jun-16 21:45:45

And that we are still only scratching the surface of stuff that has

Brandonstarkflakes Wed 22-Jun-16 21:48:35

And that we are still only scratching the surface of stuff that has perpetrated by good old British blokes? Why is the fact that these particular guys are Muslim relevant?

When all the shit went down about Saville, did everyone going on about he fact he was white or his religion?

LilacSpunkMonkey Wed 22-Jun-16 21:53:06

Quite, Brandon.

These gangs aside, the vast majority of paedophiles in the UK are white. Where are the threads about the awful white men?

But let's not get in the way of the casual racism these threads always invite.

froubylou Wed 22-Jun-16 22:25:10

I live in Rotherham. The fact that the men are Muslims is relevant because it has made it difficult for victims to get justice because authorities were reluctant or refused to help for fear of being called racist.

This meant abusers were free to continue their abuse for many years.

It's relevant.

Of course not all Muslim men condoned it. Some of them don't. Some of them covered it up though. And many knew but did nothing.

Kimononono Wed 22-Jun-16 22:40:30

Of course it's relevant. Officials are scared to death of being labelled a racist. This needs to stripped away.

Men hiding behind protective labels. The white MPs hiding behind the government and Muslim men hiding behind the racism/culture card.

It's unhelpful when anything like this gets brought up and folk want to discuss it - posters jump on to say 'but but but white men ect...'

Yes we know white men can be pedophiles and there are countless threads about it. This thread is about this specific ring that's just been involved And the fact that people in positions of power decided to sit on it not to stir racial tensions or be labelled a racist when just about to run for election in highly populated Muslim areas.

GourmetSoup Wed 22-Jun-16 23:06:19

The Saville case is very different. He sexually abused many victims and was able to use his fame to get away with it.

The grooming gangs have committed much more serious offences
"Children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated" link

Little girls were systematically abused again and again over a prolonged period of time by groups of men

Casual racism is not the problem, casual accusations of racism are the problem

WeMustSurelyBeLearning Wed 22-Jun-16 23:34:26

Obviously the vast majority of paedophiles in the UK are white, that is the predominant ethnicity of people living in the UK. There have been lots of threads about white abusers. When these threads happen do people try to shut down debate by saying "but Asian people do it too"? No they don't and if they did they would be given short shrift.

Are we not supposed to mention that there have been several cases of these type of grooming gangs uncovered? That they have been allowed to operate for many years because of their ethnicity? It's a problem that needs addressing.

I saw a phrase on here on the cologne threads - victim stacking. That describes it perfectly IMO. Maybe if the victims were "nice" middle class girls, people would care more. As it is, poor, vulnerable children who are often already in the care system aren't seen as worthy. Their victim hood is trumped by the religion and/or skin colour of the perpetrators.

legotits Wed 22-Jun-16 23:43:26

It's blatantly obvious to everyone in the areas involved that this type of grooming is all about being Muslim.

The abusers don't abuse because they are Muslim
They are getting away with the abuse, and indeed laughing at authorities, because they are Muslim

supersoftcuddlytoys Thu 23-Jun-16 08:36:47

Exactly Gourmet. The responses here by some people, demonstrate just how these things have been allowed to happen and continue to happen.

Islamic violence, misogyny and homophobia does not come about from unfavourable social, economic or political conditions, or a misunderstanding of theology either. It is embedded in the very foundation texts of Islam itself. Maajid Nawaz, The Quillem Foundation, Ayaan Hersi Ali, Dr Salim Mansour among many other Muslim, ex-Muslim writers/academics, have written extensively about this, and campaign constantly for an Islamic reformation. These people pose a problem for the Lefty, Muslim rape gang, apologists, so they just ignore them and tell themselves we're no better, so if you want to discuss it? You're a racist!

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