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Winner of the Eurovision [title edited by MNHQ to remove spoiler]

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claig · 15/05/2016 00:05

I kick myself for not paying attention to it. Should have guessed that, could have possibly won some money at the bookies by backing it a few weeks ago.

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ProfessorPreciseaBug · 15/05/2016 08:03

Was it a setup?
Is the whole thing an expression of European solidarity?

If so why didn't we win ... or at least come a very close second if all of Europe wants us to stay? Or perhaps they don't want us,, just our money?

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var123 · 15/05/2016 08:08

Australia nearly won. Australia in Eurovision!

That'll be fun next year when everyone has to go to Kiev (or is it called Kyiv?) next year.

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Kelandry · 15/05/2016 08:19

Yes professor, I thought that at least ONCE Europe would try to play nice considering they apparently want us to stay!? Guess they really only want us for our money, there's no love there.

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MardyBra · 15/05/2016 08:21

Nice spoiler for those who haven't watched it yet.

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MardyBra · 15/05/2016 08:21

I mean, fair enough to mention it in the thread, but in the title?

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LunaLoveg00d · 15/05/2016 08:23

Australia were robbed. Didn't rate the Ukrainian song at all. Quite liked Belgium.

I don't think you should read too much into the whole politics of the thing, it's just a cheesy singing show which very few people take seriously.

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Lweji · 15/05/2016 08:24

It must be all over the news now!

Not that I knew. I just don't care, buy my cleaner is Ukrainian, so I'll congratulate her.

I wonder if it was kind of a fuck off message to Russia.
Did it deserve?

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claig · 15/05/2016 08:37

I think it is political, as it probably was when Austria won etc. There is probably a team of teenage wonks who decide based on the agenda.

'If so why didn't we win ... or at least come a very close second if all of Europe wants us to stay? Or perhaps they don't want us,, just our money?'

Good question. The wonks probably think that we will vote to stay in so that there was no point and that a greater political point should be made.

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var123 · 15/05/2016 08:42

Apparently Russia was most offended by the lyrics of the Ukraine song this week. It was about Stalin's the deportation of Crimean tatars (whatever they are!) to Russia in 1944, and about how Russia annexed Crimea at that time.

Maybe that's why it won?

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Lweji · 15/05/2016 08:42

God, I've just realised who you were from the "teenage wonks" as I didn't pay attention to the OP's name. Grin

Anyway, Eurovision has nothing to do with the EU. And I think only very silly people would vote out of the EU based on a silly song contest

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NoahVale · 15/05/2016 08:43

but of course the Ukraine didnt vote for themselves.
and Russia had the most public votes.

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var123 · 15/05/2016 08:44

What are these "wonks" you speak of, claig? Its all over your Trump posts too. You use it in such a derogatory way but when I googled it, it just means studious and hardworking. Is that such a bad thing?

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claig · 15/05/2016 08:45

I didn't watch it, but in the days leading up to it , the wonks in the media were bigging up the Russian entry and saying that it might win etc, there was even footage of an interview with the Russian singer, and then shock surprise (wonk laughter), Ukraine won.

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var123 · 15/05/2016 08:46

At the beginning the presenters said something about how Eurovision was established in the 50s to help heal the wounds of the war, and now Europe is in such turmoil again.
(I don't think they said "turmoil" - just something bad).

What were they referring to, exactly?

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var123 · 15/05/2016 08:47

and again you say wonks. What do you mean?

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Lweji · 15/05/2016 08:47

There are many countries around Europe who resent the Iron Curtain, plus the rest who don't appreciate what Russia is doing with the Ukraine and Syria, plus how it's constantly pushing boundaries with NATO countries.
This win shows support to the Ukraine and can be seen as a white glove slap to Russia.

Or most voters have dubious taste?

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NoahVale · 15/05/2016 08:49

but the public votes put Russia at number one, if you had ignored the jury votes russia would have won. not a slap in the face to Russia at all

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claig · 15/05/2016 08:50

Wonks are the political wonks from Oxbridge etc, the ones who are fastrtacked up the MP ladder and act as SPADs etc. Usually the more teenage the better, the less real-life job experience the better. Ideally a wonk is taken straight out of Oxbridge and parachuted into a position to spin the people.

The term is American informal for a studious or hardworking person but is mainly used in the UK for "policy wonks", the geeks and nerds straight out of Oxbridge, usually teenage, who end up in politics at the highest levels and lecture and spin the public. There are usually "teams" of them that work together to perform acts of spin. They are invariably teenage.

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Lweji · 15/05/2016 08:50

I didn't watch it, so which public vote?
But it's the jury's vote that can more easily be politically manipulated is it not?

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NoahVale · 15/05/2016 08:52

a jury voted after the rehearsal, 50% of their votes counted

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NoahVale · 15/05/2016 08:52

the public were voting via televote

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claig · 15/05/2016 08:59

'if you had ignored the jury votes russia would have won. not a slap in the face to Russia at all'

That is probably even more of a slap in the face. The media building Russia up, the public putting them in the lead and then probably a phone call to the wonks, to pull the plug. Laughter all around, highfiving in Brussels. Classic wonkery.

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var123 · 15/05/2016 09:03

ok. Thanks. Its a political geek like Ed Miliband probably was?

You think they are controlling Eurovision now? TBH I thought it was just people with a dubious taste in music who controlled eurovision! The voting is obviously political but more support the downtrodden or your neighbours political than deep thinking.

What's clear to me, is that we are not liked in Europe both by the man in the street and by the political classes. That's fair enough. We can always vote out and leave them to get on with ruining their economies.

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claig · 15/05/2016 09:03

'At the beginning the presenters said something about how Eurovision was established in the 50s to help heal the wounds of the war, and now Europe is in such turmoil again.
(I don't think they said "turmoil" - just something bad).

What were they referring to, exactly?'

Interesting. Don't forget, all of these things are about "spin", so the hand of a wonk is ever present.

Clearly Europe is in "turmoil" because of the migrant crisis,the rise of populism and the Brexit referendum which could all end the wonks' masters plan, howver, that is not what the "spin" was getting at because they mentioned "the wounds of war" and that is probably why Ukraine won and Russia didn't.

The agenda is to fearmonger about war with Russia.

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claig · 15/05/2016 09:08

'Its a political geek like Ed Miliband probably was?

Yes they called Miliband a wonk, an inexperienced wet behind the ears type without real life job experience straight outta -Compton- Oxbridge to deliver "policy". They also call Hillary a wonk, but she is far more worldly than someone like Ed Miliband so while Hillary is a policy wonk she is not one of the teenage variety that we are so used to in the UK.

'Its a political geek like Ed Miliband probably was?'

All major events, spectacles, charidee fundraising etc have a political element because the leaders want to send a message and "spin" the people.

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