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Turkey - Deal or No Deal

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SpringingIntoAction Mon 07-Mar-16 18:26:25

The latest offer from Turkey is:

Turkey takes back a non-Syrian migrant who has crossed into Greece and 'replaces' him/her by sending Greece a Syrian refugee, on a one-for-one basis


The EU pays 6 billion Euros to Turkey


The EU agrees to permit Turks to travel visa-free within the EU from June 2016 (instead of previously agreed 1 Oct 2016)


Turkey's full EU membership is fast-tracked.

So, does the EU accept Turkey's deal or say 'No Deal'?

sportinguista Mon 07-Mar-16 19:38:05

I think we are on a very dangerous track but Turkey appears to have all the aces. But it's like being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.

I think we are not going to come out with anything we particularly like. Turkey is in many ways less ready to join the EU than years ago and it wasn't ready then. Goodness knows how it's going to comply with all the human rights stuff.

VertigoNun Mon 07-Mar-16 19:40:05

Do you have a news article link?

Littleoakhorn Mon 07-Mar-16 19:43:53

No Deal.

The small matter of press freedom would prohibit any fast track to membership.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Mon 07-Mar-16 19:45:26


SpringingIntoAction Mon 07-Mar-16 19:46:49

Agreement reached and talks will continue over the coming days

Bitchrestingface Mon 07-Mar-16 19:52:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

nonamenopackdrill Mon 07-Mar-16 19:53:51

I don't think anyone in the EU cares that much about press freedom, or the oppression of the Kurdish minority in Turkey.

Bitchrestingface Mon 07-Mar-16 19:54:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Mon 07-Mar-16 19:59:52

If vote to LEAVE the EU catastrophe, it wont be so much of an issue for us.

staggering maddness.

Limer Mon 07-Mar-16 20:10:44

No Deal.

The rest of the EU won't want it either.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Mon 07-Mar-16 20:15:01

op, your thoughts! your well up on all this stuff!

SpringingIntoAction Mon 07-Mar-16 20:28:08

Latest reports are that there is no deal. Talks are continuing.

My view is that when you pay the blackmailer don't be surprised when he comes back to demand more.

Australia proved that the only way to deal with this is to say 'No'. As long as the EU takes people in more will come. The flow will not stop.

That does not mean we should not help genuine refuges. We should, along with France and America, as permanent members of the UN Security Council be seeking a solution to the conflict instead of hiding behind the skirts of the utterly useless EU. We should be using our combined diplomatic forces to persuade counties next to Syria to host the refugees an we should be establishing refugee centres for them closer to Syria. If we just ship the enture Syrian population out of Syria and distribute it across Europe, what will happen when the war in Syria ends? It will have no population left to rebuild the country.

And thinking practically, how will you identify a true Syrian when fake passports can bought, just as the Paris Attackers purchased theirs. Don’t think the economic migrants amongst them will leave willingly. There will be some horrific sights.

As for giving Turkey EU citizenship, we will be importing Erdogan’s war against the Kurds to these shores where we have already given many Kurds asylum. The prospect of Turks wandering visa-free through Europe with god knows how many ISIS in their numbers is genuinely terrifying.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Mon 07-Mar-16 20:32:30

If we just ship the entire Syrian population out of Syria and distribute it across Europe, what will happen when the war in Syria ends? It will have no population left to rebuild the country

Well ISIS have a new army breeding program under fill that void...

YY re fake passports, with the sheer numbers involved, and no infrastructure how to police it all...

YY to the war against the Kurds, our allies!

One point it does show up, is how big of a problem non genuine refugees are, if this is the crux of their deal, ie to swop genuine Syrians for Economic refugees!

SpringingIntoAction Mon 07-Mar-16 20:40:11

The tribes are turning against ISIS, just as Frank Gardener predicted they would. Channel 4 showed a long crocodile of ISIS fighters fleeing for their lives. This is when it becomes dangerous for us - when they return to their home countries - clutching a fake Syrian passport and given safe passage to Europe, via Turkey

jeremyisahunt Mon 07-Mar-16 20:43:44

It won't work. People won't want to stay in Turkey, so they'll just move again.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Mon 07-Mar-16 20:44:59

ISIS is already calling for their war experienced numbers to come to northern EU TO carry out more atrocities. In Independent today.

Al Queda is supposed to be a massive problem too now.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Mon 07-Mar-16 20:45:45

why are other arab nations not being pressured into taking more>?

SpringingIntoAction Mon 07-Mar-16 22:00:46

Hungary has veto'd the deal.

It was a dopey idea anyway.

Even if the EU had done a 'migrant swap' which in itself would have been illegal, the EU would still be faced with trying to accommodate millions of refugees and their families and you could not make the refugee stay in his/her 'assigned EU country' anyway unless you completely ditched Schengen.

It's a mess. It shows how useless the EU actually is when it's faced with a crisis. Even the ships patrolling the seas off Greece are under NATO, not EU, command.

Littlecatbigpanther Mon 07-Mar-16 22:04:42


We need to get out of the EU and this madness now! Plus no more bombing, no more refugees and David Cameron can get lost.

The EU is a ridiculous and dangerous mess.

Littlecatbigpanther Mon 07-Mar-16 22:06:46

Let's all vote out of the EU.

No more madness, more money for public services (rather than spent on the EU) and the added bonus that David Cameron will have to resign!

SpringingIntoAction Mon 07-Mar-16 22:10:07

This is Merkel's fault for saying Refugees Welcome. They saw their friends and family being feted by the EU and are now determined to come to the EU.
the Finnish and Norwegians have found that many of the migrants they have taken in have demanded to be flown back to their home countries, as their expectations of house, car, job, money etc have not been met and they are bored and cold.

AnnaForbes Mon 07-Mar-16 22:12:54

No Deal. No way. Erdogan is a monster and has no place in the EU. I don't know why Cameron is so determined to let them join. confusedThere are 75 million Turkish people, how many will leave when they have visa-free travel? It will be an even bigger disaster than the current migrant crisis.

It's one huge mess brought on by those fuckers in Brussels and the bankers. Now noone knows what the hell to do.

EnthusiasmDisturbed Mon 07-Mar-16 22:14:22

Not surprised by what Turkey is asking for

We left them to deal with the issue for far too long

Agree Merkel has a lot to answer for

AdrenalineFudge Mon 07-Mar-16 22:23:59

No deal. I'm not surprised Turkey is asking for all that. They are effectively holding the EU to ransom.

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