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Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:03:49

Thread V

VertigoNun Tue 12-Jan-16 23:04:42

Can you please link to previous threads?

hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:04:50

Lol copy and paste thread title fail confused

hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:05:25

I'll have a go. I'm just on my phone.

hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:06:48

Thread I

hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:07:52

Thread II

hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:08:57

Thread III

hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:10:25

Thread IV

I shall ask MNHQ to tidy up the thread title. Sorry about that blush

polentapies Tue 12-Jan-16 23:13:19

This is really quite shocking - English trans of the video in the second window

hiddenhome2 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:15:32

I'll have to look tomorrow cos my wifi is switched off now.

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 12-Jan-16 23:18:25


Thread IV

I shall ask MNHQ to tidy up the thread title. Sorry about that blush


JustWonderingZ Tue 12-Jan-16 23:19:20

"Oh, wow. That sounds like something out of Stalin's Russia or Mao's China, where children were rewarded for reporting their parents lack of political corr... I mean, ideological purity." It does sound frighteningly similar. And I say it as someone born and brought up in Soviet Russia. I cannot tell you how sad it makes me feel to see it happening here. Indeed it is taking it to the next level where citizens now self-censor rather than KGB censoring them. At the moment no professional or person with standing will ever say anything which could be edgy or controversial. The MP's response up thread is a good example of this. In the Rotherham case the police wouldn't touch it, nor would the Council because people were afraid of losing their jobs and careers if they were labelled racist. Soon ordinary citizens will start to self-censor in the same way. Nobody will bring themselves to speak the truth as the price will be too high. RIP Freedom of Speech, it was good while it lasted😶

VertigoNun Tue 12-Jan-16 23:30:02

I thought they were trying to shake off their opression reputation.

LieselMeminger Wed 13-Jan-16 00:17:09

Just marking place.

Other than the one response from UKIP mentioned a while back, has anyone had any response from their letters?

Was talking to dh about the thread, and the idea that the awful things some of the offenders may have been though making them disturbed and harm others, lacking empathy for their victims etc. I can't remember the exact wording, but that's what I took from some posts over the last several threads.

Wouldn't the wives, daughters, sisters, mothers of these men have been though and seen equally horrifying things? How come disturbed and traumatised women are not harming other people in similar numbers?

If cultures and religions play no part in some men committing sexually violent crime, then is it logical to say that it can't be culture and/or religion that's stopping the women from the same communities, who have seen the same horrors, be violent?

TheNewStatesman Wed 13-Jan-16 00:42:39

""The number of assaults on Jewish people in France has also drastically risen over the last couple of years:""

The regressive left is blaming this rise exclusively on the far right. The far right DO commit horrifying acts of antisemitism, but the bulk of the offenders in the 2010s appear to be Muslim.

VertigoNun Wed 13-Jan-16 00:43:35

I got this link from another thread.

hefzi Wed 13-Jan-16 01:00:04

NewStatesman also in the UK, unfortunately - it's why it's no longer pc to talk about anti-Semitism, as it's mostly not the Far Right perpetrating it.

Liesel absolutely - there is quite a lot of evidence from various war/refugee situations that brutalisation occurs, but as you say, in men, it often plays out in violence, whereas in women, it's more a traumatic response. Not everyone who experiences suffering and trauma goes on to develop issues, whether PTSD or MH problems, but it is an issue in many areas that there simply aren't enough therapists available to assist those that do. I also believe - quite strongly- that people also need to take ownership over their actions: to deny these men agency over their decision to attack women in this way, albeit only on account of their experiences as it may be, I think undermines those hundreds and thousands of men who have not chosen to express themselves in this way.

I do think there is a choice: plenty of people, sadly, grow up in homes where abuse happens. If every one of those children grew up to be an abuser, a drug addict or a criminal, we could extrapolate that no choice was involved. Being a refugee (or abused) limits the options open to you, for sure - but plenty of people take the "harder" choice and do not go on to repeat the behaviours they have experienced. By excusing those who do, however much we understand their sad lives previously, I thin we demean those who have made the decision not to allow that brutalisation to continue.

I've also had a UKIP response, but not even a holding one from my totally self-centred, self-promoting and useless female Labour MP as of yet: I'm thinking of popping to her next surgery for a cosy chat if there's no answer by then.

TensionWheelsCoolHeels Wed 13-Jan-16 03:00:27

Marking my place smile

Cellardoor1 Wed 13-Jan-16 03:47:02

There has been 653 complaints in Cologne and another 150 in Hamburg now. This is making me angry all over again. How did the police let this happen? They must have known it was going on for hours but did nothing.

Olivepip59 Wed 13-Jan-16 07:11:44

Morning. Catching up, skipping the nonsense...

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow Wed 13-Jan-16 07:35:36

Has anyone woke up slightly depressed that this will be slowly forgotten about until the next time it happens?

Pinkchampchoccies Wed 13-Jan-16 07:44:54

"How did the police let this happen?"

Among possible other things, they were afraid to be labelled as racist, which would destroy their career. Covering up of crime conducted by immigrants is systemic in German.

I also watched the video linked to above. According to the studio guests, Europe can look forward to wave of viscous crime as a result of mass migration from the ME & NA. sad

Vertigo I read the article. I am speechless and feel sick in my stomach. Such a very lenient sentence sends the wrong message.

From the article:

"A muslim who raped a 13-year-old girl he groomed on Facebook has been spared a prison sentence after a judge heard he went to an Islamic faith school where he was taught that women are worthless." This man is a British citizen and has been educated in Birmingham.

I am horrified at this but not surprised.

"I fear looking back at my young life as a golden age for public freedoms for girls. And yes I know assaults have always occurred but face it there will be a lot of girls with their wings clipped now."

I agree, our daughters will have to be extremely savvy, cautious, trained in martial arts etc.. However their wings will be clipped, I never thought this before now, but considering the cover up of assaults on women all over Europe for the sake of political correctness, we are heading for some sort of dark ages.

Regarding Emily and pal, their rhetoric has reminded me of the way Cage minimises crimes conducted by muslims.

Cage is an advocacy organization whose stated aim is "to highlight and campaign against state policies developed as part of the War on Terror".

I will never forget an interview with one of their representatives and Jon Snow after Mohammed Emwazi (Jihadi John) had been dealt with. Minimising and gas lighting. Such hypocritical words spoken so 'softly'.

Amnesty used to be affiliated with Cage but have distanced themselves now after the way they dealt with the Mohammed Emwazi situation.

Pinkchampchoccies Wed 13-Jan-16 07:45:40


Pinkchampchoccies Wed 13-Jan-16 07:47:30

*crimes conducted by muslims.
crimes conducted by Islamists, rather.

MephistophelesApprentice Wed 13-Jan-16 07:48:32

Oh, it's virtually certain. Concerns like ours will be written off as scare mongering and the German social media censoring system will quash any reports of further attacks, unless right-wing extremists can somehow be blamed. The next incident we get to hear about will have to be unimaginably horrific to break through the political/media consensus.

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