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Im so not brave

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OnTheEdgeToday Mon 16-Nov-15 22:51:12

I keep hearing people saying things like "we cant stop doing what we do. That is what they want us to do. They want us to be fearful" etc.
I cant help the fact that i find it so difficult to not be fearful.

I just dont feel its worth the risk. To go to a place of higher risk, just to prove im brave and to make a stand. Id rather just avoid and feel a tad bit more safe. Especially when it concerns taking my children as well.

Am i wrong for feeling like this? Am i the only one?

I can go about my normal life, but i live in a small town that i feel is small risk compared to surrounding cities.

claig Mon 16-Nov-15 23:10:38

You're being reasonable. No need to prove how brave you are.

OnTheEdgeToday Mon 16-Nov-15 23:34:23

Its a hard one to stand up and admit to because everyone is so adamant to not show weakness as that is what they are aiming for.

It is really hard to not be frightened when they are so ruthless. I mean, people who are willing to take their own lives in order to take others...there is nothing you can do.

Any retaliation from others will result in provoking and them having further excuses and justification to continue. Even by creating suggesting we are killing innocent people. We dont know what their media is sharing with them.

It is clear that our media has highlighted france and this has caused uproar amongst others due to it seeming they were more important than other attacks. This wasnt this case, but people clearly felt that it was.
This could easily sway fragile minded people to view us as the enemy, especially with a bit of manipulation.

I know we cant just sot back and do nothing. We need to act, and i dont disagree with the airstrikes. I just dont feel it will do anything other than proke further massacres.

claig Mon 16-Nov-15 23:46:15

'everyone is so adamant to not show weakness'

Yes but there are a lot of hypocrites around who don't practice what they preach.

We need to put ground troops in and finish them off in Syria. We need to act with Russia and Assad and Iran and finish them. Sarkozy is saying that French policy should change to act with Russia against Isis. As Donald Trump said today, why haven't their recruitment centres in Syria been bombed for months by now?

Hollande said France is at war, but war requires ground troops not just bombing which has not worked in stopping Isis up to now.

They can be finished off but it e=requires doing what Donald Trump says and acting with Russia and Iran to do it.

leccybill Mon 16-Nov-15 23:50:19

I'm scared too. I've pretty much stayed at home since Friday. Any thought of being out in a crowd or in a 'venue' makes me uneasy at the moment. Can't help it.

claig Mon 16-Nov-15 23:51:06

This was Marine Le Pen in September

"Le Pen Says France Should Align With Russia on Approach to Syria

France doesn’t need to strike terrorist targets in Syria, National Front leader Marine Le Pen said today, saying it would be better off aligning with Russia and its greater resources to cope with terrorists in the Middle Eastern country."

It's obvious. Instead of removing the liberties of the French people, Hollande has to get serious and finish Isis off or Le Pen will win the elections and do it.

OnTheEdgeToday Tue 17-Nov-15 00:00:52

It is all well and good saying to finish them off in syria, but arent they all over. Even the ones who have been born and raised in certain countries are turning against those very countries and viciously attacking innocent folk.

I honestly struggle to see the light at the end of this. You can wipe out one place, but there will be many more elsewhere...feeling even more outraged and determined because of us fighting back.

GiddyOnZackHunt Tue 17-Nov-15 00:04:13

Edgeif you can go about your normal life quietly and happily then that's good. You don't have to behave differently to show anyone anything. Carrying on as normal is fine.
My DH is going to work in London as normal this week. I suffer from anxiety but I am refusing to change my normal level of anxiety ,(by very much)
Nobody has to be brave. Normal is what we're aiming for.

GiddyOnZackHunt Tue 17-Nov-15 00:07:09

And claig I was happy when you were all Jezbut this is belying your roots. Storming in and bombing the shit out of everyone and everything is not going to help. It has never made things better in the middle East.

claig Tue 17-Nov-15 00:09:49

'It is all well and good saying to finish them off in syria, but arent they all over.'

There aren't that many of them and the Jihais retruning from Syria are known about for the most part. They tell us that this attack was planned by this Belgian guy in Syria. They say that is the HQ of Isis. When that is wiped out, the rest of them scattered in European countries will be like drones without a queen bee.

Hollande said this is war, let's see if he means what he says and sorts them out seriously rather than as Donald Trump says only starts bombing their "recruitment centres" in Syria today.

"You can wipe out one place, but there will be many more elsewhere...feeling even more outraged and determined because of us fighting back."

I don't think so, I think if it is war as Hollande says then it will end very quickly and they will be wiped out quickly. It depends how serious Hollande will be and what strategy he adopts, whether he wants to wipe them out and work with Russia to do it as Sarkozy has finally said is necessary and which Le Pen and Donald Tump have been saying for ages or whether he still insists that Assad has to go.

claig Tue 17-Nov-15 00:15:45

'I was happy when you were all Jezbut this is belying your roots'

I've always been the same, common sense.

Corbyn is useless in saying that he would not order shoot to kill against these terrorists, but he is very good in asking the real question that Donald Trump and Le Pen have been asking for years - who is funding Isis? who is buying their oil? why are some politicians saying Assad is the problem when Isis are fighting him and taking over Syria? Why has a year of US bombing of Isis failed to stop their growth and why has mere weeks of Russian bombing been more effective against them? Where is a serious plan to stop Isis, a plan that involves ground troops and if France is not prepared to put any soldiers in, then work with other countries to finish them off as Le Pen has consistently said.

Corbyn asks the right questions and puts the spotlight on the real issues, but he has no answers.

Hoplikeabunny Tue 17-Nov-15 00:16:40

I feel the same Edge, I am terrified and will not be going about my normal life for quite some time I wouldn't think. No one I know feels like this though, DH went to London on Saturday, and dsis has gone to a 'dangerous' country for work this week. Whereas I want to stay in my house and wait for it all to be over.

claig Tue 17-Nov-15 00:19:29

Why has the Turkish border not been sealed by NATO member Turkey in order to stop the resupply of the Isis Jihadis?

Why are European people's liberties under threat and why has Isis not been stopped?

OnTheEdgeToday Tue 17-Nov-15 00:21:11

Giddyonzackhunt - i suffer from anxiety, too. Tha is probably what this is! I can imagine how much of a battle you will face with your anxiety, im glad youre prepared to stay strong with it! I hope it flies over for you. I guess it is normal we should be aiming for, its hard to see that with peoples comments and thoughts.

Claig - id love to see that all being a possibility and working well. Only we arent even aware that they are entering over here, we arent aware as to just how many are over here. Nevermind around the world. To top it off, it is a new breed of some kind of a cult that will always wind up with followers. Its sad, but true.
I dont think they can ever be wiped out, not now.

claig Tue 17-Nov-15 00:28:21

'I dont think they can ever be wiped out, not now.'

You are right to be scared, but they are in reality not as powerful as is portrayed. They have been supported and funded and Corbyn has asked by whom? Once all that ends, if there is a real coalition to stop them, then they will be destroyed.

claig Tue 17-Nov-15 00:37:29

Latest news is that Obama has ruled out large ground troops and Hollande will intensify bombing. That won't defeat the Jihadis.

Maybe the world will have to wait until the French elections when Le Pen or Sarkozy win until Isis are seriously finished off.

OnTheEdgeToday Tue 17-Nov-15 00:38:12

I dont think being poweful can compete with ruthlessness. Power doesnt even really come in to it.
I dont have any concern of them taking over, i feel they are too outnumbered for that.
I do fear for the lives of many, many innocent people. I think right now they are trying to be somewhat strategic in the attacks. I think in time, they will be so random. Especially when they feel they are losing control.

Who is corbyn? Sorry, im not clued up on all of this. I dont follow the news due to my anxiety, but these recent events, there has been no avoiding them.

I am going to bed now, i will catch up in the morning.

claig Tue 17-Nov-15 00:39:39

The American elections are in 2016 before the French elections. If Donald Trump wins, then Isis are finished and European people's liberties can be restored to ususal levels again.

claig Tue 17-Nov-15 00:42:15

'Who is corbyn?'

Only Britain's next Prime Minister - leader of the Labour Party, scourge of the Blairites and asker of tough questions but answerer of none.

fourmummy Tue 17-Nov-15 07:20:40

When that is wiped out, the rest of them scattered in European countries will be like drones without a queen bee I read an article last night about a French journalist who had been captured by ISIS but was let go. What struck me was his description of them as little boys, playing with their prey and high on drugs. They couldn't organise a thing. If true, then they are being seriously funded, which makes me think that they will only stop when the funding stops.

I've also just finished a book, which convincingly argues for this type of threat having existed for the past 1400 years. There have always been splinter, jihadi groups alongside some form of Islam for as long as Islam has been around. This is not new - and won't go away. I am unsure as to where I stand on bombing them. They'll just regroup and keep doing so - but, on the other hand, perhaps bombing then now will keep them back for long enough for the West to develop different warfare methods - but then where do we end up? In principle, it's a 'no' from me.

OnTheEdgeToday Tue 17-Nov-15 10:27:12

I have just read a news article on corbyn. I cant help but see his point of view. I really dont understand why he is being slated for it?

Im pleased he is standing his ground as it seems he is being shunned for having his own opinion.
I think it is a good thing to have a mixture of views and opinions, especially on something like this as it would be so easy to be fuelled by emotion and to act on impulse...

MarthasHarbour Thu 19-Nov-15 11:33:01

I too am feeling anxious, i went to the cinema last night (in a quiet town but it was busy)and had my eye on the fire exit and was jumpy when some kids started playing up at the front half way through.

This is not me - i feel like a real wuss. I need to calm down i know but this is really getting to me.

This thread is actually reassuring me in some way, i couldnt see how there could be an end to it but will read a little more on Corbyn and Le Pen's views.

We were about to book a holiday to France next year. I am hanging on a bit, tbh it is not 'being there' that worries me as we are heading to the countryside, it is the journey there and back. Pathetic i know.

polyhymnia Wed 25-Nov-15 15:13:29

Those of us who live and work or study in London don't have any choice about getting on with our lives - we are not doing it just to 'be brave' or court danger. We've lived with possibility of a risk of terrorist attack for so long the terrible events on Paris haven't made any difference, at least to me. (Apart from my sadness for the victims).

hackmum Wed 25-Nov-15 19:12:28

claig: Have I got this right - you're supporting Corbyn and Trump?

It's certainly an unusual position.

claig Wed 25-Nov-15 22:14:55

Absolutely. I support the truth and principle. I prefer Trump because he is not politically correct like Corbyn, but I admire Corbyn's integrity and principles even if he lacks common sense. I want change that benefits the people and an end to cliques and lobbyists who serve each other's interests. I want change which is why I want Trump and Corbyn or Farage.

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