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The downfall of the NHS.

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roopa1 Fri 16-Oct-15 15:17:29

Perhaps you are aware, perhaps not.

Will you support your hospital doctors? Will you support the NHS?

Jeremy Hunt is proposing changes to contracts which will undermine and stretch our services.

We all already know that the NHS is currently struggling financially. With a large deficit, hidden from us by the government actively censoring facts: (

An alleged £8bn is due our way at some as yet undisclosed date to some as yet undisclosed areas of the NHS.


Nevertheless, JH has decided to ensure we work longer hours for less pay by next year. Claims that there are not enough doctors at the weekend covering acute services are unfounded. Less than 1% of ALL consultants opt out of on call work.

A seven-day service is not feasible without funding. Instead, funding is being removed and the NHS is being starved.

Instead of improving patient safety, it is in fact being compromised harshly.

Quotes that 11,000 excess deaths occur because of a lack of services is completely unfounded. This number was pulled from a study based on statistics from 2009-2010 which showed that 30-day mortality is significantly greater when admitted on the weekend. There has been NO INVESTIGATION as to the cause of this and instead the workers of the NHS are the ones being blamed.

Increased deaths could be for many reasons - trauma, accidents, incidents etc are more likely at the weekend. People wait longer to see a doctor if they are working during the week. Did the study include elective (non-emergency) admissions during the week for routine operations? If so this would skew the statistics to show increased mortality from emergency admissions over the weekend.

Essentially, there is no evidence to back JH's claims.

Instead, cover ups and misuse of data are pulling the wool over your eyes.

A junior doctor is any doctor in training not yet a consultant. Junior doctors are the ones who will help deliver your baby, who will do your caesarian section at 3am, who will hold your hand when telling you your loved one is seriously ill. We are not just 'junior'. We are a great part of the NHS and we are being devalued.

Many of us are in our 30's with many years of training yet ahead of us. Many are married, with children, paying for expensive courses and exams and studying for these exam in our spare hours. We sacrifice our social lives, sacrifice seeing our children at school plays, sacrifice weddings, funerals, relationships, personal health, mental health and some cases....taking our lives because of the pressure.

The public do not expect us to pipe up, because we are compassionate. But we will. We want to be there to hold that hand, to deliver the baby, to operate on your father's cataracts, or stent that coronary artery. BUT WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT.

We will strike. We will leave.

squidzin Fri 16-Oct-15 16:36:16

This won't change untill people stop voting fucking Tory.

gettingtogrips Fri 16-Oct-15 20:24:51

I think the current attack on junior doctors is disgraceful. It feels an awful lot like we're heading for privatisation of the NHS and the government is doing everything it can to shift the blame for this onto NHS staff themselves. Making doctors look greedy and work-shy by using clever PR and spin.

Junior doctors can expect to be a lot better paid in the private sector, if the NHS collapses. Their fight to stop this unfair contract from being imposed is because they care for their patients and love the principles of the free at point of use NHS.

Please support junior doctors and help raise awareness of this attack on the NHS. They march tomorrow in London.

Jux Tue 20-Oct-15 22:13:55

It is a disgrace. Sadly, this is what the Tories do.

Stars66 Tue 20-Oct-15 22:19:13

I wish all Tory voters had the chance to pull back their votes

blacksunday Wed 21-Oct-15 10:34:05

NHS spending 'to fall as share of GDP by 2020'

David Cameron is likely to preside over the largest sustained fall in NHS spending as a share of GDP since 1951, an analysis by the King's Fund says

NoTechnologicalBreakdown Wed 21-Oct-15 13:28:26

Usual story with the tories, they run services down into the ground, make sure their right wing media pals put out all the sensationalist crap they can dig up about how badly the services are failing, and then use that as an excuse to sell them off dirt cheap to other chums while guaranteeing their debts on public funds.

It is appalling the way our hard working, caring and dedicated medical staff are being treated at the moment.

Isitmebut Wed 21-Oct-15 14:04:45

NHS spending 'to fall as share of GDP by 2020'

David Cameron is likely to preside over the largest sustained fall in NHS spending as a share of GDP since 1951, an analysis by the King's Fund says

Clearly the lefties STILL have not learned their 'throw money at an unreformed problem' lesson over 13-years of financial incompetence as there is MORE to just spending money as the _paragraph below FROM that BBC link BlackSunday included, explains - with MORE money already pledged and no reason with a strong economy and new plan, MORE could go in by 2020.

"Simon Stevens is the head of NHS England and has published a five-year plan for the service which included £22bn in efficiency savings and different ways of working, keeping people out of hospital where possible."

And lets see what the Kings Fund thought of the 7% of budget increases under Labour, spending the proceeds of their financial bubble before bursting.

May 2007; “Blair's legacy:" Health

“No government has ever invested more in the health service than Labour under Blair and yet the NHS is mired in deficits with patients taking to the streets to prevent the closure of their local hospitals.”

“Joyce Robins, of Patient Concern, said: "I feel sorry for Blair, but the money has been wasted."

“This seems to be the crux of the issue. The public was promised record amounts of money would flow into the NHS. And so it has.”

“But the problem is it has not necessarily gone where many would expect.”

“Once pay hikes - consultants and GPs have both received lucrative increases - covering for deficits and rising drug costs are taken into account, the 7% budget increases actually equate to about 2% for services, according to the King's Fund.”

^”Surveys have repeatedly shown that when asked what they think of the NHS people reply it is in crisis.”^

Isitmebut Wed 21-Oct-15 14:09:08

Clearly its taking longer than 6-years to correct 13-years of incompetence; looking to 'manage' the extra 3 million of new citizens back then, rather than 'treat' them.

March 2010; ”Rise in NHS managers outstrips doctors and nurses”

“The number of managers in the NHS has risen at double the rate of doctors and nurses under Labour, official figures have disclosed.”

The NHS workforce in England has now reached a record high of 1.43 million, up by 30 per cent on 1999.

The majority are qualified clinical staff but the fastest increase has been among managers which has outstripped any other group, data from the NHS Information Centre has found.

In the last decade the number of managers has increased by 84 per cent to reach 44,660. This is an average increase of 6.3 per cent per year.

In comparison the number of clinical staff has risen by a third in a decade with an average annual rise of just three per cent.

Isitmebut Wed 21-Oct-15 14:55:23

Downfall of the NHS

What could have been the downfall of most Public Services was more of this 'have now, pay later' mainly Labour PFI '5 men to change a light bulb' type debt - often being paid over 25-30 years, affecting the budgets ANNUALLY of most of our services - so affecting the ability to meet all obligations, including salaries and pensions for decades to come.

Yet there were several thousands LESS NHS general/acute beds in 2010, than there were in 1999, how incompetent was that?

“Crippling PFI deals leave Britain £222bn in debt”

”Every man, woman and child in Britain is more than £3,400 in debt without knowing it and without borrowing a single penny – thanks to the proliferation of controversial deals used to pay for infrastructure such as schools and hospitals.”

”The UK owes more than £222bn to banks and businesses as a result of Private Finance Initiatives (PFIs) – “buy now, pay later” agreements between the government and private companies on major projects. The startling figure – described by experts as a “financial disaster” – has been calculated as part of an Independent on Sunday analysis of Treasury data on more than 720 PFIs. The analysis has been verified by the National Audit Office (NAO).”

”PFI’s were the brainchild of the Conservative Party in the 1990s, but were swiftly embraced by New Labour..PFI-funded schools, streetlights, prisons, services, police stations and care homes can be found across Britain.”

”Responding to the findings, TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: “Crippling PFI debts are exacerbating the funding crisis across our public services, most obviously in our National Health Service.”

blacksunday Wed 04-Nov-15 23:00:55

If you don't fight to keep your NHS from destruction from the Tory scum, you'll lose it!


NHS: UK now has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world, according to OECD report

Hospitals so underequipped that people are dying needlessly because of a chronic lack of investment


The UK has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world according to a damning new report which said the nation has an “outstandingly poor” record of preventing ill health.

Hospitals are now so short-staffed and underequipped that people are also dying needlessly because of a chronic lack of investment. The verdict, from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), will make embarrassing reading for David Cameron who denied the cash-strapped NHS is heading for its worst winter crisis.

Staff are too rushed to improve levels of care that have in many areas fallen below countries such as Turkey, Portugal and Poland. Almost 75,000 more doctors and nurses are needed to match standards in similar countries the OECD said in its annual Health at a Glance study comparing the quality of healthcare across 34 countries.

While access to care is “generally good” the quality of care in the UK is “poor to mediocre” across several key health areas, obesity levels are “dire” and the NHS struggles to get even the “basics” right, the report said citing a lack of investment over the last six years.


Clobbered Wed 04-Nov-15 23:08:22

The NHS is in total disarray. It scares me that I will one day be old and or ill.
I left 10 years ago. No amount of money would persuade me to go back to that horrible working environment of bullying, blame and no means to improve things....
Who'd be a junior doctor nowadays? Thank God none of my kids wants to do medicine. You wouldn't wish it on a dog.

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