"behave yourself, woman.” - Alex salmond

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stolenview Thu 04-Jun-15 20:08:04

I don't think talk like that has any place in modern politics. Why do SNP supporters say they are so differentand progessive forward thinking? Just the same as them all.

http://order-order.com/2015/06/04/alex-salmond-everydaysexism/#_@/TZcI-AlbeUKVvA

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SantanaLopez Mon 08-Jun-15 18:14:28

Obviously. It is interesting to note that if you type Frazer into Google it is mostly pro-independence sites and blogs which come up too- bias on both sides.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius Mon 08-Jun-15 18:09:21

I agree, Santana. But I do understand Hirples' point about the differing media attention the two stories have received. I suspect it is because Salmond has a far higher media profile than Lucy Frazer.

Thank you for the apology too. thanks

SantanaLopez Mon 08-Jun-15 18:00:21

Frazer's comments were appalling, but that does not give mean that Salmond has free reign to be as sexist as he likes, does it?

HirplesWithHaggis Mon 08-Jun-15 17:54:45

I didn't intend to imply a moral failing or bias on your part, and I apologise unreservedly that I gave that impression. My point was more that this speech was given on Thursday, and there hasn't been the sort of outcry about it that there has been about Alex calling a woman a woman. There is bias on the part of the media.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius Mon 08-Jun-15 17:42:56

The only point my question makes is that I haven't heard this particular news item. I'm sure there are plenty of other news items I haven't heard yet either, but it sounds as if you are implying my lack of knowledge of this particular story is some sort of moral failing on my part, or suggests I am biased in some way.

I wish I hadn't asked.

HirplesWithHaggis Mon 08-Jun-15 17:30:22

Your question kind of makes my point. Answer here.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius Mon 08-Jun-15 17:01:53

What comments were those, please?

HirplesWithHaggis Mon 08-Jun-15 15:19:19

Are we as outraged at Lucy Frazer's comments?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius Mon 08-Jun-15 13:51:54

As I said earlier - I am not sure it's relevant whether it is, or is not a well known phrase where Salmond lives - he is worldly and intelligent enough to know that it's not a common phrase in London, and that calling someone 'woman' is considered sexist and offensive down there - and therefore he should have known better than to use that phrase there.

I see nothing wrong with expecting people to adjust and moderate their language depending on context. I am far more forthright and sweary in my daily life, and on here, than I would be if I were talking to my mother. Some fairly innocuous things that I consider pretty OK and inoffensive, would cause her a lot of offence - so I avoid them around her.

That's just courtesy and civility, surely?

My eldest son calls me 'woman' - when he thinks I am being a bit childish, he says 'Oh grow up, woman!' - and that does not bother me at all - in the context of mother-son banter, it is fine. If a stranger used that term to me, I would be less happy and, depending on the tone and the context, I might be offended.

DowntownFunk Mon 08-Jun-15 12:19:50

I'm Scottish and I've lived in Aberdeenshire and up and down the west coast and also spent lots of time in Edinburgh and its not a turn of phrase in any of those places.

Me too, and yes it is.

"Behave yourself, min" would be the North East male version.

trixymalixy Sat 06-Jun-15 09:34:35

I'm Scottish and if someone said this to me at work I would be absolutely fuming.

Agree with annunziata, if it had been Jim Murphy that had said this the nats would be up in arms about it.

howabout Fri 05-Jun-15 14:29:35

Sexist and I am Scottish. Also what a man and wife or close friends say to each other is not the same as what is said publicly between colleagues.

Next time he should stick to away n boil yer heid!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius Fri 05-Jun-15 14:27:32

I await the lack of mouth frothing when someone tells Mhairi Black "Haud yer wheesht lassie, yer jist a bairn"

So you are condemning people on the basis of an action they might not take, in a situation that has not yet happened outside of your imagination, ^ and might never happen^, cdtaylor?

Logical debate - alive and well. hmm

Smartleatherbag Fri 05-Jun-15 14:20:54

It's incredibly patronising. I'm Scottish, I'm aware of the use in day to day life. Hoc is not everyday life. This is as bad as 'calm down dear'. All about context.

OrlandoWoolf Fri 05-Jun-15 14:19:48

Backs away, nodding wisely....

TulipsAndSwifts Fri 05-Jun-15 14:14:13

Or 'Shut yer pus, away an' dinnae haver".

OrlandoWoolf Fri 05-Jun-15 13:56:35

I await the lack of mouth frothing when someone tells Mhairi Black "Haud yer wheesht lassie, yer jist a bairn

You mean. You don't know what you are talking about, young lady. You have no experience of life grin

chocolateyay Fri 05-Jun-15 13:54:55

It's a Scottish thing. At least he didn't say 'missus', which really grates on my nerves!

cdtaylornats Fri 05-Jun-15 13:47:11

I await the lack of mouth frothing when someone tells Mhairi Black "Haud yer wheesht lassie, yer jist a bairn"

MorrisZapp Fri 05-Jun-15 13:20:07

I'm inclined to agree with Annunziata. I'm Scottish and my DP routinely calls me 'woman' which I admit I like (and 'wumman', which I don't) and I take no offence at whatsoever.

But. It has to go both ways. If a Tory had said it, there would be no defence, just anger. Cameron said 'calm down dear' which is a well known joke from telly. Cue rage.

As for an agenda to discredit the SNP, do me a favour. Haven't you noticed anything at all in the last ten years? Silly throwaway soundbites make more headlines now than policy issues ever do, regardless of the politics of the hapless human making them.

Annunziata Fri 05-Jun-15 13:13:08

He called a woman a woman to patronise her and put her down.

I am the most rubbish example of feminism and even I can see that is outrageous.

Why don't you start an education thread if it is so important to you?

OrlandoWoolf Fri 05-Jun-15 13:10:09

Well, he said "behave yourself, woman".

What is it supposed to mean when someone says that to you?

HirplesWithHaggis Fri 05-Jun-15 13:07:51

It's the same "SNP bad" meme the Tories used during the GE campaign, in England; you'll probably see more of it as time goes on, if you keep your eyes open. Yes, the cuts are separate, but at time of writing there is no "In the news" conversation about it, yet so many people are up in arms because AS called a woman... "woman". Sheesh, talk about storm in a teacup.

OrlandoWoolf Fri 05-Jun-15 12:54:26

What has it got to do with "SNP bad"?

If anyone had said it, there would be comments about it.

It's got nothing to do with the SNP.

The cuts are separate.

HirplesWithHaggis Fri 05-Jun-15 12:51:33

You can tell the "SNP bad" meme is working when the "In the news" conversation is Alex saying "woman" rather than tne obscenity of £3bn cuts to departments including education. Excellent distraction, people.

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