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Children driven to school by their mothers will be turned away.

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iWantToBeAlone Fri 29-May-15 12:00:39

Standard link.

It's an Orthodox Jewish school in north London. I hope that law steps in, I don't see how this can be legal.

AnyoneForTennis Fri 29-May-15 12:19:00

Pathetic! Stupid men as usual

MyBeloved Fri 29-May-15 12:22:23

Just to clarify, this is the Hassidic Sect of ultra orthodox Judaism, which is completely non representative of any other Jews. It is a teeny tiny proportion of the 250000 Jews who live in the UK. hassidic Jews live by their own interpretation of Judaism.

But yes, I think it is wrong - even if they are simply trying to preserve their beliefs. However, there is an element of live and let live here.

AnyoneForTennis Fri 29-May-15 12:29:08

Live and let live??? Wtf? Like FGM? That kinda live and let live? Sorry this is the UK where kids go to school, where for the rest of us it's enforced... Why are this lot any different?

MyBeloved Fri 29-May-15 12:32:17

No of course not like fgm. no need to jump down my throat.

I don't agree with it at all...I'm just not sure where we draw the line with a tiny tiny tiny minority of people's beliefs if they aren't actually harming anyone?

RiverTam Fri 29-May-15 12:33:22

but surely if women choose to be a part of this religion then they know the 'rules', don't they? FGM is practised on children who have no say in the matter, so it's not comparable. Ultra-orthodox Judaism is a very patriarchal religion, but no adult has to be a part of it.

I think it's bonkers, but then I think any religion that says that women have to wear wigs and thick tights (for example) is bonkers.

iWantToBeAlone Fri 29-May-15 12:33:23

However, there is an element of live and let live here.

Can you explain what you mean by this? Do you think we should turn a blind eye to sex discrimination in this case?

AnyoneForTennis Fri 29-May-15 12:34:42

Yeah well it's the children here who are being made to suffer....

AnyoneForTennis Fri 29-May-15 12:35:39

Teeny tiny enough to have a community and a school.... You really think they aren't harming anyone??

ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems Fri 29-May-15 12:36:26

MyBeloved, there is no place for live and let live when it breaks the law. As for who it is harming? How about the young, impressionable minds of the children in their care? What about their right not to be indoctrinated to such an extreme?

Ubik1 Fri 29-May-15 12:39:29

Fgm is illegal. It is an extreme form of child abuse.

The women not driving thing is frankly bizarre in the 21st century. confused
What's going to happen? Will god strike them down?

iWantToBeAlone Fri 29-May-15 12:41:02

Apparently it's modesty that is at stake here.

MyBeloved Fri 29-May-15 12:41:03

I mean that people are free to choose whether to follow the doctrines of this tiny sect. It is so small!

by not harming, I mean there is no physical or mental and women are simply seen as fulfilling g different roles.

do not think I am justifying. ..I am not. I think it's bonkers.

chippednailvarnish Fri 29-May-15 12:41:20

However, there is an element of live and let live here

Bollocks to that, children will be turned away from school because their mother's will carry out a normal legal everyday activity against the wishes of some men.

Bigotry dressed up as religious instruction...

iWantToBeAlone Fri 29-May-15 12:41:54

I think it's very harmful. Not only to the woman but to the impressionable minds of the young children.

RedandYellow24 Fri 29-May-15 12:44:04

I understand bizzare strict rules to the outsider but still don't gets what immoral about it? I mean from what o hear must dress modestly so long skirts and covering elbows etc but you can still drive and get out of a car with a long skirt on. If anything having to go on a pa let train or bus where any strange man could be pressing against you seems far more immodest if your that the way of thinking

Andcake Fri 29-May-15 12:45:14

Awful - sexist rubbish- but to be fair if an anyone driving primary school kids who love under a mile from the school from using their car particularly in London. Young impressionable kids grow up thinking it's ok to drive even short distances

AnyoneForTennis Fri 29-May-15 12:45:25

Removing your child from education is illegal. Will they home educate? Allow ofsted inspections?

iWantToBeAlone Fri 29-May-15 12:48:21

It is immodest because driving can get heated and lead to the driver swearing, getting road rage, being sworn at by another driver etc. Apparently.

blondegirl73 Fri 29-May-15 12:50:17

Very disappointed that this is horrible sexism and not about lazy people using their cars to do the school run.

When I'm in charge no one who's capable of walking will be allowed to drive their children to school in London.

AnyoneForTennis Fri 29-May-15 12:50:40

Haha so can walking down the street! What stupid men these are!

QweenCnut Fri 29-May-15 12:53:03

When I'm in charge, I'll get rid of faith schools

ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems Fri 29-May-15 12:58:17

Me too! Faith belongs at home and in your own place of worship. RE is an interesting academic subject but it should always be taught as information rather than instruction or indoctrination.
No state funding for faith schools I say. Bloody disgrace as it is that some children are allocated a faith school in reception despite a parent expressing that they do not believe in this.

RedandYellow24 Fri 29-May-15 12:58:41

It is immodest because driving can get heated and lead to the driver swearing, getting road rage, being sworn at by another driver etc. Apparently.

Wow I'm sure taken 3 kids on a packed bus never going get sworn out lol. Seems typical anti women you best not drive dear another man might swear at you.

RiverTam Fri 29-May-15 12:58:48

Andcake - well, that's the thing, this community is a small one, in a small geographical location, so I doubt there's much need for many, if any, children at this school to be driven there.

Honestly, there are many discriminatory elements to many religions, this one seems an odd one to get aerated about. If women allow their religion to trump their children's education, that's up to them, isn't it? But I actually doubt this will affect many, if any, children. I mean, any more than how growing up in this religion in general will affect them. I'm guessing the OP hasn't ever given a thought to how growing up in this community affects children prior to reading this story.

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