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Children driven to school by their mothers will be turned away.

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iWantToBeAlone · 29/05/2015 12:00

Standard link.

It's an Orthodox Jewish school in north London. I hope that law steps in, I don't see how this can be legal.

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AnyoneForTennis · 29/05/2015 12:19

Pathetic! Stupid men as usual

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MyBeloved · 29/05/2015 12:22

Just to clarify, this is the Hassidic Sect of ultra orthodox Judaism, which is completely non representative of any other Jews. It is a teeny tiny proportion of the 250000 Jews who live in the UK. hassidic Jews live by their own interpretation of Judaism.

But yes, I think it is wrong - even if they are simply trying to preserve their beliefs. However, there is an element of live and let live here.

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AnyoneForTennis · 29/05/2015 12:29

Live and let live??? Wtf? Like FGM? That kinda live and let live? Sorry this is the UK where kids go to school, where for the rest of us it's enforced... Why are this lot any different?

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MyBeloved · 29/05/2015 12:32

No of course not like fgm. no need to jump down my throat.

I don't agree with it at all...I'm just not sure where we draw the line with a tiny tiny tiny minority of people's beliefs if they aren't actually harming anyone?

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RiverTam · 29/05/2015 12:33

but surely if women choose to be a part of this religion then they know the 'rules', don't they? FGM is practised on children who have no say in the matter, so it's not comparable. Ultra-orthodox Judaism is a very patriarchal religion, but no adult has to be a part of it.

I think it's bonkers, but then I think any religion that says that women have to wear wigs and thick tights (for example) is bonkers.

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iWantToBeAlone · 29/05/2015 12:33

However, there is an element of live and let live here.

Can you explain what you mean by this? Do you think we should turn a blind eye to sex discrimination in this case?

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AnyoneForTennis · 29/05/2015 12:34

Yeah well it's the children here who are being made to suffer....

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AnyoneForTennis · 29/05/2015 12:35

Teeny tiny enough to have a community and a school.... You really think they aren't harming anyone??

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ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems · 29/05/2015 12:36

MyBeloved, there is no place for live and let live when it breaks the law. As for who it is harming? How about the young, impressionable minds of the children in their care? What about their right not to be indoctrinated to such an extreme?

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Ubik1 · 29/05/2015 12:39

Fgm is illegal. It is an extreme form of child abuse.

The women not driving thing is frankly bizarre in the 21st century.
What's going to happen? Will god strike them down?

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iWantToBeAlone · 29/05/2015 12:41

Apparently it's modesty that is at stake here.

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MyBeloved · 29/05/2015 12:41

I mean that people are free to choose whether to follow the doctrines of this tiny sect. It is so small!

by not harming, I mean there is no physical or mental trauma...men and women are simply seen as fulfilling g different roles.

do not think I am justifying. ..I am not. I think it's bonkers.

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chippednailvarnish · 29/05/2015 12:41

However, there is an element of live and let live here

Bollocks to that, children will be turned away from school because their mother's will carry out a normal legal everyday activity against the wishes of some men.

Bigotry dressed up as religious instruction...

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iWantToBeAlone · 29/05/2015 12:41

I think it's very harmful. Not only to the woman but to the impressionable minds of the young children.

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RedandYellow24 · 29/05/2015 12:44

I understand bizzare strict rules to the outsider but still don't gets what immoral about it? I mean from what o hear must dress modestly so long skirts and covering elbows etc but you can still drive and get out of a car with a long skirt on. If anything having to go on a pa let train or bus where any strange man could be pressing against you seems far more immodest if your that the way of thinking

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Andcake · 29/05/2015 12:45

Awful - sexist rubbish- but to be fair if an anyone driving primary school kids who love under a mile from the school from using their car particularly in London. Young impressionable kids grow up thinking it's ok to drive even short distances

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AnyoneForTennis · 29/05/2015 12:45

Removing your child from education is illegal. Will they home educate? Allow ofsted inspections?

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iWantToBeAlone · 29/05/2015 12:48

It is immodest because driving can get heated and lead to the driver swearing, getting road rage, being sworn at by another driver etc. Apparently.

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blondegirl73 · 29/05/2015 12:50

Very disappointed that this is horrible sexism and not about lazy people using their cars to do the school run.

When I'm in charge no one who's capable of walking will be allowed to drive their children to school in London.

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AnyoneForTennis · 29/05/2015 12:50

Haha so can walking down the street! What stupid men these are!

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QweenCnut · 29/05/2015 12:53

When I'm in charge, I'll get rid of faith schools

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ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems · 29/05/2015 12:58

Me too! Faith belongs at home and in your own place of worship. RE is an interesting academic subject but it should always be taught as information rather than instruction or indoctrination.
No state funding for faith schools I say. Bloody disgrace as it is that some children are allocated a faith school in reception despite a parent expressing that they do not believe in this.

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RedandYellow24 · 29/05/2015 12:58

It is immodest because driving can get heated and lead to the driver swearing, getting road rage, being sworn at by another driver etc. Apparently.

Wow I'm sure taken 3 kids on a packed bus never going get sworn out lol. Seems typical anti women you best not drive dear another man might swear at you.

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RiverTam · 29/05/2015 12:58

Andcake - well, that's the thing, this community is a small one, in a small geographical location, so I doubt there's much need for many, if any, children at this school to be driven there.

Honestly, there are many discriminatory elements to many religions, this one seems an odd one to get aerated about. If women allow their religion to trump their children's education, that's up to them, isn't it? But I actually doubt this will affect many, if any, children. I mean, any more than how growing up in this religion in general will affect them. I'm guessing the OP hasn't ever given a thought to how growing up in this community affects children prior to reading this story.

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Preminstreltension · 29/05/2015 12:58

This is not a "live and let live" situation. This is women being denied their right to be treated the same as men and that cannot be tolerated anywhere in the UK.

As for no one being allowed to drive to school - I always wonder why school drop offs (children and usually women drivers) are seen as less important road users than big fat men driving to important things like work. We all have an equal right to use the road.

I am lucky enough to live next door to school but now that you don't get to go to your most local school necessarily, and now that women are working, it is perfectly likely that parents are doing a drop-off two miles away from where they live and then turning round and driving back in the opposite direction to get to the workplace in time to start work at 9am. Why is this less valid than people driving to work? Or driving anywhere for that matter. I agree that if people can walk they should, for health reasons. But that applies to everyone going anywhere, not just parents taking kids to school. Much easier though to target "others" particularly women having the temerity to use cars for their own convenience.